Liverpool threaten breakaway from Premier League's TV rights deal


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As much as us fans of teams like us, Villa, Everton, Villa, Newcastle etc would love to see these so called big guns fuck off to a euro league I dont think our owners would feel the same way, a league without these teams with fetch nowhere near a TV deal in like there is now, the vast majority of clubs are in some form of debt and rely on these huge tv payments to help service it as well as play players massive wages amongst other running costs

If it came to the crunch and these 'big' teams did threaten to walk away if others didnt agree to the proposal I reckon a lot of teams would cave into the demands and let these teams have they way

Instead of getting say £40 or so million what we get now a TV deal without these 'big' clubs would be lucky to get £10 million or so a season at a rough guess

So these big clubs could well say you will get £25 million and us 'big' clubs would get the other £15 million or so off each club to share amongst themselves I reckon us 'smaller' clubs would have no choice but to accept due the financial position we find ourselves in

I dread to think how this will pan out and where it will all lead say in 5-10 years time
 
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Non-story as it requires 14 members to all be in agreement and I don't believe such reforms would benefit as many as 14 teams in the PL.

The subject of TV money was touched upon when SAF gave an interview to the BBC recently. He stated that he was happy with the domestic deal but even he would be uncomfortable with reforming the deal regarding foreign rights, although he did say that £1.4B is not enough considering where the PL is screened. And that's coming from a manager that would obviously benefit from such reforms.

Man Utd and Chelsea also don't appear to be supporting the idea.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/12/manchester-united-chelsea-liverpool-breakaway
 
As much as us fans of teams like us, Villa, Everton, Villa, Newcastle etc would love to see these so called big guns fuck off to a euro league I dont think our owners would feel the same way, a league without these teams with fetch nowhere near a TV deal in like there is now, the vast majority of clubs are in some form of debt and rely on these huge tv payments to help service it as well as play players massive wages amongst other running costs

If it came to the crunch and these 'big' teams did threaten to walk away if others didnt agree to the proposal I reckon a lot of teams would cave into the demands and let these teams have they way

Instead of getting say £40 or so million what we get now a TV deal without these 'big' clubs would be lucky to get £10 million or so a season at a rough guess

So these big clubs could well say you will get £25 million and us 'big' clubs would get the other £15 million or so off each club to share amongst themselves I reckon us 'smaller' clubs would have no choice but to accept due the financial position we find ourselves in

I dread to think how this will pan out and where it will all lead say in 5-10 years time

Would we really?
 
at the end of the day...if theres no money...the players would have to take less...cos you cant keep asking the fans to pay more...look at this seasons attendances..
what happens..happens...said it earlier...we're forever chasing rainbows instead of enjoying a satuday afternoon..
 
Big fish in a small pond, nailed on success, lions share of money, but thrown in against Real Madrid, Barcelona and AC Milan, no longer the top boys.

As far I am aware they are not threatening a break away league, just wanting more of the TV money from foreign tv broadcasters so would still be big fish in our league albeit a bigger one and then more wealth to take on the like of Real and Ac Milan in Europe
 
The day we go down the Spanish route and end collective tv rights is the day I stop watching top flight football in this country.
 
at the end of the day...if theres no money...the players would have to take less...cos you cant keep asking the fans to pay more...look at this seasons attendances..
what happens..happens...said it earlier...we're forever chasing rainbows instead of enjoying a satuday afternoon..

That is the key. When I was 17 and it was £3 for a ticket and 20p on the 638 from Washington, I watched some awful football under the likes of Buxton, but I still went.

These days, although I'm earning, I'm looking at £30 per ticket, £100 petrol and an entire weekend away from home. Ok, moving to Kent has played a large part, but the increasing costs is driving fans away. I know it is not the attitude of an uber, but if I had been at the West Brom game, I would have felt like leaving the minute I saw the team sheet.

When costs go up, people want value for money, when they don't get it, they don't come back in a hurry. Our problem is two fold, we are serving up shite gutless football for a lot of money. Attendances are likely to stay low while this persists.
 
That is the key. When I was 17 and it was £3 for a ticket and 20p on the 638 from Washington, I watched some awful football under the likes of Buxton, but I still went.

These days, although I'm earning, I'm looking at £30 per ticket, £100 petrol and an entire weekend away from home. Ok, moving to Kent has played a large part, but the increasing costs is driving fans away. I know it is not the attitude of an uber, but if I had been at the West Brom game, I would have felt like leaving the minute I saw the team sheet.

When costs go up, people want value for money, when they don't get it, they don't come back in a hurry. Our problem is two fold, we are serving up shite gutless football for a lot of money. Attendances are likely to stay low while this persists.

We are customers now not supporters
 
If they have their own TV rights, what happens when their opponents have their own TV rights and there is a conflict? Whose cameras will be allowed in the ground? Visiting teams contribute to the match so Liverpool cannot prevent them from having their own TV deal or should the visiting team demand half the payments received as without an opponent, Liverpool have no product to sell? Do they picture negotiating with every TV franchise in the world or would they be looking to sell exclusively to one sports channel, say ESPN for example?

The trouble with having your own TV deal is that you may find TV franchises may not include it in packages. I don't recall seeing any option for seeing live Barcelona or Real Madrid matches. Of course, the USA tends to be USA only sports centric but that's besides the point.
 
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]Greed will ruin this sport[/B].

Smacks of the wall-pushers being scared stiff of being left behind by the new 'big 4' and are waving their (stolen) hubcaps around in a hissyfit. Absolute scum.


Has been, and is continuing to do so.
 
I can see their point.

Before Sky, football was all about bums on seats and those with more fans had bigger crowds and more money. Search the posts here and you will find countless claims about why we should be classed as a big club, due to the size of our fan base. Certainly if you look at us against Wigan or Blackburn, I'd say every Sunderland fan would say we should be bigger and better than a tin-pot club with 18,000 crowds.

However, now for the majority of Premier League games, the number of fans actually at the ground are in the minority. My dad goes to Goa each year and the PL is huge over there. Every game is screened, repeated a number of times and analysis of every touch of the ball. Fans out there are not trying to buy QPR or Wigan, they are buying Liverpool and Man U. Why should they not get the lion's share of the cash? It is them generating the income.

The worrying thing is it then puts the income each club has at the mercy of TV bosses. They feed the world, tell them which games to watch and those teams get the cash. Take the screening of our games for example. I still can not understand why only one game was scheduled to be screened after our season last season.

With the financial fair play rules coming in, TV income is legit. Those who have a stronghold at the minute will only get stronger. Those without are unlikely to ever reach those heights. Even hoping for a rich sugar daddy will be out the window.

because without Q.P.R. or Wigan there'd be no Premier League ;)

do you think it would be wise to let the rich get richer and then just leave the rest as cannon fodder. Do you not think it's bad enough now and this will just be the finish of football as we knew pre SKY?

unless of course you suggest they go to a European Super League and leave the rest to compete in a decently fair league that is closer to grass roots and the working man. It would be a good thing as it will still be as entertaining than watching passionless mercenaries doing a few swervy shots, foot overs or rolling about like a tart after a tackle or giving the ref shite etc etc etc ;)

f***ing selfish greedy bastards if anything and personally I do hope they all fuck off as it will happen eventually no doubt so the better the sooner. At least it will leave the other 86 or so teams in the league better off as all the greedy money grabbers can fuck off to the European Super Duper Premier League

the likes of F.C. United of Manchester would certainly get more support and climb through the leagues. Whoever else fucks off would probably get new teams also and do the same


I used to love watching La Liga but now it bores me, I only watch Real play Barca each other occaisonally like I occaisonally watch Celtic v Rangers in the SPL.

People around the world love the competitiveness of our league which would be lost. The only saving grace is we would have 3 or 4 teams instead of just 2.

hmmmm, you are watching 'foreign football' and what would be even more exaggerated with the Premier league if we followed the same model as Barcelona etc? ;)
 
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If the tv audiences are decreasing, how on earth is the new overseas deal going up by about 25%? That'll take us to 2016.

It's part of the unsustainable bubble.

Club incomes versus club wages do not tally. Clubs are business that are not run like businesses, yet are fragile like businesses.

Overseas investment in property ballooned - investments grew y-o-y and were based on 5 year forecasts. And guess what - lot of people lost fuckloads of money and lots of 100-year-old companies ceased to exist.

Just cos a few snakeoil salesman managed to see a 'product' based on a continued growth, it doesn't mean that product will grow at all.
 
because without Q.P.R. or Wigan there'd be no Premier League ;)

do you think it would be wise to let the rich get richer and then just leave the rest as cannon fodder. Do you not think it's bad enough now and this will just be the finish of football as we knew pre SKY?

unless of course you suggest they go to a European Super League and leave the rest to compete in a decently fair league that is closer to grass roots and the working man. It would be a good thing as it will still be as entertaining than watching passionless mercenaries doing a few swervy shots, foot overs or rolling about like a tart after a tackle or giving the ref shite etc etc etc ;)

f***ing selfish greedy bastards if anything and personally I do hope they all fuck off as it will happen eventually no doubt so the better the sooner. At least it will leave the other 86 or so teams in the league better off as all the greedy money grabbers can fuck off to the European Super Duper Premier League

the likes of F.C. United of Manchester would certainly get more support and climb through the leagues. Whoever else fucks off would probably get new teams also and do the same




hmmmm, you are watching 'foreign football' and what would be even more exaggerated with the Premier league if we followed the same model as Barcelona etc? ;)

It would be for us supporters but as our clubs are all in debt somewhere down the line our owners are relying on that TV money the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool etc bring to the table

If they did go to a Euro super league the TV deal would be lucky to be a quarter of what it is now for the rest of us and would leave numerous clubs up the financial creek without a paddle
 
As much as us fans of teams like us, Villa, Everton, Villa, Newcastle etc would love to see these so called big guns fuck off to a euro league I dont think our owners would feel the same way, a league without these teams with fetch nowhere near a TV deal in like there is now, the vast majority of clubs are in some form of debt and rely on these huge tv payments to help service it as well as play players massive wages amongst other running costs

If it came to the crunch and these 'big' teams did threaten to walk away if others didnt agree to the proposal I reckon a lot of teams would cave into the demands and let these teams have they way

Instead of getting say £40 or so million what we get now a TV deal without these 'big' clubs would be lucky to get £10 million or so a season at a rough guess

So these big clubs could well say you will get £25 million and us 'big' clubs would get the other £15 million or so off each club to share amongst themselves I reckon us 'smaller' clubs would have no choice but to accept due the financial position we find ourselves in

I dread to think how this will pan out and where it will all lead say in 5-10 years time

ah bless, the poor players wouldn't be paid £xx,000's a week anymore! :lol:. It's that kind of stupid financial crap that got them into debt in the first place! :roll:
 
If they have their own TV rights, what happens when their opponents have their own TV rights and there is a conflict? Whose cameras will be allowed in the ground? Visiting teams contribute to the match so Liverpool cannot prevent them from having their own TV deal or should the visiting team demand half the payments received as without an opponent, Liverpool have no product to sell? Do they picture negotiating with every TV franchise in the world or would they be looking to sell exclusively to one sports channel, say ESPN for example?

The trouble with having your own TV deal is that you may find TV franchises may not include it in packages. I don't recall seeing any option for seeing live Barcelona or Real Madrid matches. Of course, the USA tends to be USA only sports centric but that's besides the point.

A company will still charge to broadcast the games regardless of who is home or away. An away game would see the home team pay the broadcaster and then the away team would then have to pay a fee to use the feed.

Anyways, let them vote on this and if they dont get enough backing from the 20 teams in the league....send the fckers too the Scottish Premier!
 
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