Liverpool threaten breakaway from Premier League's TV rights deal


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Unsurprising that it's Liverpool kicking up a fuss now that they're out of the Champions League.

Asian fans generally aren't picky about which top clubs they're watching, they're not like die hard English fans.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/16/liverpool-malaysian-xi-friendly

Have a read of this - the bit about the crowd. It was a pattern of their whole tour. Why would this be so if they supported only who was winning?

That justifies Liverpool going on foreign tours, which they are free to do.

Foreign broadcasters buy rights to the Premier League. Liverpool are a team in the Premier League. So are Stoke.

Liverpool have the right to remove themselves from the Premier League if they do not enjoy the terms.

And "support" is only half the picture. If it's the last game of the season, Fulham v Liverpool will get a lower TV audience that the Newcastle v Norwich relegation decider. Do the surviving Premier League team get a rebate posted to Carrow Road in that instance?

The Premier League opened this door with the 39th game bullshit. The greed of these clubs is staggering. Remember when clubs used to be bothered about what their fans thought of them?
 
Given that in a game of football you have to play someone else, how does individual TV rights work?

So Liverpool sign a deal with Sky International to screen every one of their games for huge amounts of money, fine. Meanwhile we follow the same small minded marketing approach we always do and sign a deal with Channel 5 or Babestation. Apart from the potential of our half time entertainment improving, what will happen with Liverpool visit the SOL?

Would we get a slice of the Liverpool cash, or would their deal only apply to their home games? Essentially it might come down to image rights. Surely if Liverpool are going to sell on games to their private deal, then they have to buy a slice of our image rights to allow them to show us on their channel. I can see lots of complications arising here.
 
Non-story as it requires 14 members to all be in agreement and I don't believe such reforms would benefit as many as 14 teams in the PL.

The subject of TV money was touched upon when SAF gave an interview to the BBC recently. He stated that he was happy with the domestic deal but even he would be uncomfortable with reforming the deal regarding foreign rights, although he did say that £1.4B is not enough considering where the PL is screened. And that's coming from a manager that would obviously benefit from such reforms.
 
Given that in a game of football you have to play someone else, how does individual TV rights work?

So Liverpool sign a deal with Sky International to screen every one of their games for huge amounts of money, fine. Meanwhile we follow the same small minded marketing approach we always do and sign a deal with Channel 5 or Babestation. Apart from the potential of our half time entertainment improving, what will happen with Liverpool visit the SOL?

Would we get a slice of the Liverpool cash, or would their deal only apply to their home games? Essentially it might come down to image rights. Surely if Liverpool are going to sell on games to their private deal, then they have to buy a slice of our image rights to allow them to show us on their channel. I can see lots of complications arising here.

I dont think Liverpool are after doing individual rights, think its just a case of them along with a few others no doubt wanting a bigger slice of the foreign tv money that comes in from the far east, American etc

Non-story as it requires 14 members to all be in agreement and I don't believe such reforms would benefit as many as 14 teams in the PL.

The subject of TV money was touched upon when SAF gave an interview to the BBC recently. He stated that he was happy with the domestic deal but even he would be uncomfortable with reforming the deal regarding foreign rights, although he did say that £1.4B is not enough considering where the PL is screened. And that's coming from a manager that would obviously benefit from such reforms.

I am sure the PL could find a way around that to suit these big clubs, might take a while but within 5-10 year I can see it happening
 
With the world economy in the state that it's in, football's bubble is going to burst soon. It can't continue to suck up money without giving something back, and the greed involved in today's game is going to have to be tempered. Personally, as a fan, I don't know how people can continue to support the team, home and away. I'm not even sure, with the way things are going, even supporting them at home is going to be a possible thing for a lot of people.

North East attendances are falling, and it's almost certainly due to the recession and the less than satisfactory football that's being served up. People can no longer justify going to football ahead of feeding their kids and heating their home. It's time that football's chairmen woke up and smelled the coffee.
 
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Why does Ayres believe Liverpool deserve it?

It's the Likes of clubs like Bolton that have helped Liverpool become the club they are.

They have all been part of a league that Liverpool have played in and, in the distant past, had a large amount o success in.

Without the small clubs forming the top level of English football Liverpool would just be a group of men playing with each other. and no one wants to see that.

Ironically, if since the beginning of time Liverpool had never been part of the English leagues and had been part of some super league, then theyd have been the whipping boys and would never have built up their international fanbase any way.
 
With the world economy in the state that it's in, football's bubble is going to burst soon. It can't continue to suck up money without giving something back, and the greed involved in today's game is going to have to be tempered. Personally, as a fan, I don't know how people can continue to support the team, home and away. I'm not even sure, with the way things are going, even supporting them at home is going to be an impossible thing for a lot of people.

North East attendances are falling, and it's almost certainly due to the recession and the less than satisfactory football that's being served up. People can no longer justify going to football ahead of feeding their kids and heating their home.it's time that football's chairmen woke up and smelt the coffee.

When you say the bubble is about to burst what do you mean? The current overseas tv deal expires in 2013 and the new deal is expected to be about £2 billion quid - 600 million up on the last one
 
When you say the bubble is about to burst what do you mean? The current overseas tv deal expires in 2013 and the new deal is expected to be about £2 billion quid - 600 million up on the last one

But then you have companies like Manchester United who have significantly more debt and a significantly smaller turnover than companies like Woolworths.

A big club will go under and the rest will follow like a pack of cards. Football is not immune to the pressures of finance, not since clubs became PLCs.
 
But then you have companies like Manchester United who have significantly more debt and a significantly smaller turnover than companies like Woolworths.

A big club will go under and the rest will follow like a pack of cards. Football is not immune to the pressures of finance, not since clubs became PLCs.

I was wondering what he meant by "the bubble is about to burst". I still don't know to be honest.
 
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I was wondering what he meant by "the bubble is about to burst". I still don't know to be honest.

I suppose he meant that the finances powering English football are unsustainable, and greed is driving this situation to breaking point.
 
I was wondering what he meant by "the bubble is about to burst". I still don't know to be honest.

Well, football's finances exist in a bubble, floating over a world that is essentially skint. To maintain the bubble, football needs to secure input from outside. When that input dries up, the bubble pops. It's as simple as that. That's what I mean. Eventually, people will stop buying Sky, stop going to games, buying the merchandise and giving their hard earned cash to football.
 
Well, football's finances exist in a bubble, floating over a world that is essentially skint. To maintain the bubble, football needs to secure input from outside. When that input dries up, the bubble pops. It's as simple as that. That's what I mean. Eventually, people will stop buying Sky, stop going to games, buying the merchandise and giving their hard earned cash to football.

When? The new tv deal is increasing and that'll take us to 2016.
 
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The transfer/wages of some clubs are unsustainable but the finances behind the game are only increasing

The finances are based on gates and PPV TV audiences, both of which are in decline due to streaming. Ticket prices have already, arguably, reached a ceiling.

La Liga clubs have a huge issue in attracting sponsorship.
 
The finances are based on gates and PPV TV audiences, both of which are in decline due to streaming. Ticket prices have already, arguably, reached a ceiling.

La Liga clubs have a huge issue in attracting sponsorship.

If the tv audiences are decreasing, how on earth is the new overseas deal going up by about 25%? That'll take us to 2016.
 
When? The new tv deal is increasing and that'll take us to 2016.

When the amount of money coming into football can no longer support it's 'lifestyle'. The game will implode, bloated and corrupt. It's already starting. When nobody can afford to watch football, it will mean nothing anymore. Sponsorship deals are worthless with no-one watching ;)
 
When the amount of money coming into football can no longer support it's 'lifestyle'. The game will implode, bloated and corrupt. It's already starting. When nobody can afford to watch football, it will mean nothing anymore. Sponsorship deals are worthless with no-one watching ;)

I remember Bob Murray saying the same thing in 2000. Maybe he was ahead of his time. At least 2 decades by the looks of it.
 
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