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Ch1982 said:
Working under the constraints set for him. He also had to gel those players together under a regime that doesn’t look from the outside to be any better than ours. I’m not thrilled if it happens but there is something to work with. It will all depend on the quality of our recruitment.
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He doesn’t scare the shit out of me like Beale did but it’s just another sign of behind the scenes being a bit a a farce at best and completely dishonest at worst.
 

Digsys dinner said:
This is the issue, he is a solid enough choice who will get us top 12 atleast (we should be aiming higher) what really concerns me is how many managers don’t want to be anywhere near Speakman and this regime, that surely can’t be healthy for a club our size
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You can see why they like this set up. An owner who can leave all footballing matters to the Sporting Director who has his mate working closely with the first team.
This chain of command from KLD to Speakman to Dodds to the first team players which is supposed to promote continuity is actually a barrier to success. It enables underachieving people to remain in post when it is clear that wholesale change is needed.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
That's the thing for me. I'm sure he wouldn't be the worst hire we could make but people are wanting any excuse to believe that the ownership are genuinely ambitious and determined to learn from their mistakes. Appointing rosenior wouldn't suggest that at all. It would suggest that the people we wanted didn't want the job, we couldn't convince them, and we end up with someone known for dull football who is hardly going to give the place a lift.

If its him, it's him, and we need to get behind the lad but I'll be very interested to see what kind of ambition we show in the transfer market if we aren't showing it (or able to seal it) in the head coach pursuit. If they make an uninspiring appointment and then have a poor window and we have a mediocre season I doubt many would want the same people picking the next head coach
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I’ll probably get tortured for this but I do have sympathy for the club. Yes they should have had the deal done and signed with Still much sooner but when your target since December becomes available and it’s positive to the point he agrees to the job in principle I can’t blame the club for focussing on him. When a club playing European football comes in for him there is little the we could have done.

And from that point anybody else is going to feel like the backup choice.
 
MadMackem10 said:
I’ll probably get tortured for this but I do have sympathy for the club. Yes they should have had the deal done and signed with Still much sooner but when your target since December becomes available and it’s positive to the point he agrees to the job in principle I can’t blame the club for focussing on him. When a club playing European football comes in for him there is little the we could have done.

And from that point anybody else is going to feel like the backup choice.
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You're right. But that's meant to be where we've got this great knowledge of coaches around the continent. If the one we target says no, it just feels a bit unambitious, and not very reassuring, if the next option is another recently sacked manager who you can be almost certain we wouldn't have been targeting had there been compensation to pay
 
MadMackem10 said:
I’ll probably get tortured for this but I do have sympathy for the club. Yes they should have had the deal done and signed with Still much sooner but when your target since December becomes available and it’s positive to the point he agrees to the job in principle I can’t blame the club for focussing on him. When a club playing European football comes in for him there is little the we could have done.

And from that point anybody else is going to feel like the backup choice.
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No sympathy from me. They shouldn't have sacked Mowbray if they didn't have an upgrade in the bag. 6 months on and they still haven't rectified it.
 
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mackemglastoid said:
You can see why they like this set up. An owner who can leave all footballing matters to the Sporting Director who has his mate working closely with the first team.
This chain of command from KLD to Speakman to Dodds to the first team players which is supposed to promote continuity is actually a barrier to success. It enables underachieving people to remain in post when it is clear that wholesale change is needed.
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The owner sadly can’t see it. He has zero experience in running a business which sadly is what football has become even more so over the past 10 years or so.

For any business or club to be successful it needs exceptionally good people below the owner and he is struggling in that regard. The recruitment of the Head Coach the most important person he will certainly employ and the way our 1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on preferred choices are not interested for reasons we are asking them to take the job is hugely concerning and how we are now perceived within football circles.
 
MadMackem10 said:
I’ll probably get tortured for this but I do have sympathy for the club. Yes they should have had the deal done and signed with Still much sooner but when your target since December becomes available and it’s positive to the point he agrees to the job in principle I can’t blame the club for focussing on him. When a club playing European football comes in for him there is little the we could have done.

And from that point anybody else is going to feel like the backup choice.
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Nobody is blaming the club for focusing on Still. But there was nearly an entire month between him leaving Reims and the Lens job becoming available.

If he really was our number one target since December then something has gone seriously wrong in the negotiations and it all points to the conditions we wanted Still to work under.

There's no sympathy at all from me towards the hierarchy. They've been shambolic for 7 months now.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
You're right. But that's meant to be where we've got this great knowledge of coaches around the continent. If the one we target says no, it just feels a bit unambitious, and not very reassuring, if the next option is another recently sacked manager who you can be almost certain we wouldn't have been targeting had there been compensation to pay
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Next meeting mate you really need to put it to speakman, let him know he is under pressure with us all
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
You're right. But that's meant to be where we've got this great knowledge of coaches around the continent. If the one we target says no, it just feels a bit unambitious, and not very reassuring, if the next option is another recently sacked manager who you can be almost certain we wouldn't have been targeting had there been compensation to pay
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I think it's been clear from the managerial appointments prior to this shambles that all of that was just another of Speakman's lies.

You don't go from the unemployed Lee Johnson to the unemployed Alex Neil to the unemployed Tony Mowbray to the unemployed Michael Beale if that was truly the case.
 
SAFC Wilks said:
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Boring football that.
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You could probably find examples of a goal like that for every club in the division, including Rotherham, over the course of a season mind.

The style of football doesn't necessarily bother me to be honest. As long as it's well laid out, the players are well drilled, prepared and know what's expected of them, that's more important IMO.

However, the fact he couldn't get a side with the goalscorer of that goal, Fabio Carvalho (arguably the best player in the league), into the playoffs after only winning 3 of his last 13 games to end the season is more damning.

It would be a poor appointment that is clearly plan F at this point.
 
The Situation said:
You could probably find examples of a goal like that for every club in the division, including Rotherham, over the course of a season mind.

The style of football doesn't necessarily bother me to be honest. As long as it's well laid out, the players are well drilled, prepared and know what's expected of them, that's more important IMO.

However, the fact he couldn't get a side with the goalscorer of that goal, Fabio Carvalho (arguably the best player in the league), into the playoffs after only winning 3 of his last 13 games to end the season is more damning.

It would be a poor appointment that is clearly plan F at this point.
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No chance!
 
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