Lee Johnson


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? They were all different though.
Johnson - streaks
Ross - draw every game nil nil
Parky - shite

Not hard to work out why really -

Johnson - Attack minded, positive football, but overly confuses it. When it work it tends to work quite well, when it doesn't it falls apart as there was little defensive structure and confidence wanes.
Ross - A bit dour. very much liked to keep it tight as a team and rely on runs from deep or one or two individuals with pace or flair to create openings.
Parkinson - Dour manager, direct style. Prefers hard graft and lumping it to a big man. Creativity comes only from graft and the odd bit of pace, hence it's generally hard on the eyes.

Various reasons why each ultimately failed.
 
I'd hate it. Whatever his merits as manager of Sunderland I found him pretty much impossible to listen to.

Reid, Smith, O'Neill and McCarrhy for me - not sure I could match Big Sam pint for pint on the wine
Well I liked listening to him and thought about what he said. I thought he was honest in the main. Remember if we met over a pint which is what this thread is all about he wouldn’t be as restricted as we know him to be.
He could enlighten us and cause all sorts of problems for our “ owners “
All hypothetical of course.
 
Well I liked listening to him and thought about what he said. I thought he was honest in the main. Remember if we met over a pint which is what this thread is all about he wouldn’t be as restricted as we know him to be.
He could enlighten us and cause all sorts of problems for our “ owners “
All hypothetical of course.
I really struggled with his jargon which he used to imply special knowledge - not revealed in his tactics when things went wrong. He did a lot right and I was really pleased with our start this season and thought he would be the one to get us up. I would be interesting to know what really happened. I definitely think the sacking was sudden and not all his fault, but a whole pint with him, at his speed, nah...!
 
Not hard to work out why really -

Johnson - Attack minded, positive football, but overly confuses it. When it work it tends to work quite well, when it doesn't it falls apart as there was little defensive structure and confidence wanes.
Ross - A bit dour. very much liked to keep it tight as a team and rely on runs from deep or one or two individuals with pace or flair to create openings.
Parkinson - Dour manager, direct style. Prefers hard graft and lumping it to a big man. Creativity comes only from graft and the odd bit of pace, hence it's generally hard on the eyes.

Various reasons why each ultimately failed.
Seemed strange to me that Johnson couldn't see his own flaws. Then he should have looked for a solution which presumably would be to hire a really good defensive coach to work alongside him.
 
Was never a fan of his personality in front of the camera but fair play to him. We played some of our best football in this league under him. His win rate was good too. Although, look at us now. It’s staggering that we’ve failed to get out of this league yet. Shameful really. Imagine, that we can only aspire to be as good as Rotherham.
 
Ffs, the whole point in having a pint with him would be to find out how the club is run and what the shareholders and Speakman are really about.
We know absolutely nowt about it, he does.
 
One of me mates sent me this:

Got a bit crack today. Apparently Johnson wasn’t happy about Defoe coming because he was going to be on more money than him which caused first rift but he said some things to maguire on the touch line which some of the players took real offence to and he subsequently lost the respect of the dressing room. Keane refused to come on money matters only. Offered less than half what he was on last time here and less than sky pay him. Can’t say it’s 100% correct but no reason to disbelieve it.
 
One of me mates sent me this:

Got a bit crack today. Apparently Johnson wasn’t happy about Defoe coming because he was going to be on more money than him which caused first rift but he said some things to maguire on the touch line which some of the players took real offence to and he subsequently lost the respect of the dressing room. Keane refused to come on money matters only. Offered less than half what he was on last time here and less than sky pay him. Can’t say it’s 100% correct but no reason to disbelieve it.
Keane S money was never going to be matched. LJ might have just had enough of the useless set up he was working under and decided enough was enough.
 
Is the bust up regarding Defoe? Seems more than a bit odd for a manager to get steaming the night before.
Back in the 3rd Division in 87, I bumped in to Dennis Smith coming out of a night club in Shrewsbury at 2am on a Saturday morning. I was hammered but I don’t think he was, 0-0 I seem to recall, not sure if Viv was with him too, think he might have been, but I was monged
 
One of me mates sent me this:

Got a bit crack today. Apparently Johnson wasn’t happy about Defoe coming because he was going to be on more money than him which caused first rift but he said some things to maguire on the touch line which some of the players took real offence to and he subsequently lost the respect of the dressing room. Keane refused to come on money matters only. Offered less than half what he was on last time here and less than sky pay him. Can’t say it’s 100% correct but no reason to disbelieve it.
Very interesting and believable. Johnson made an utter fool of himself with Maguire and allowed Maguire to get under his skin. As for Keane did he really think a L1 club was going to pay him big money? I know its not the popular view on here but I feel Keane may have messed us about. We would have been far better off if he hadn't shown any interest.
Keane S money was never going to be matched. LJ might have just had enough of the useless set up he was working under and decided enough was enough.
LJ was sacked - it wasn't him who decided enough was enough. If it was up to him he'd still be here trotting out his superficial nonsense at every available press conference.
 
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I reckon LJ was promised more than got delivered in January.

If I was a betting man I’d have said he was told get us into contention for promotion by January with the kids and we’ll spend some money getting us over the line in January.

We were top on 30/12 and he gets beans to spend on Trai Hume
 
Very interesting and believable. Johnson made an utter fool of himself with Maguire and allowed Maguire to get under his skin. As for Keane did he really think a L1 club was going to pay him big money? I know its not the popular view on here but I feel Keane may have messed us about. We would have been far better off if he hadn't shown any interest.

LJ was sacked - it wasn't him who decided enough was enough. If it was up to him he'd still be here trotting out his superficial nonsense at every available press conference.
Calm down man. There are stories that he was drinking the night before the game maybe and I repeat maybe he’d just had enough working for a calamitous regime and gave them no option.
 
Calm down man. There are stories that he was drinking the night before the game maybe and I repeat maybe he’d just had enough working for a calamitous regime and gave them no option.
I am calm. Lee Johnson's tenure at Sunderland played out just as was predicted by fans of his previous clubs. Why we would have expected otherwise was a bit silly. There is enough evidence from his 400 games as manager/head coach to show that he just isn't very good. Yes, he could get players playing decent football for a period but was so easily out thought by opposition managers. What you are suggesting - that he wanted out and gave them an option - is so far fetched that I am sure even you don't believe it.

Separate yourself from this all consuming agenda that Speakman/KLD are to blame for everything and are amateurish/inept etc. and you eally must see that Lee Johnson was a mistake appointment. Speakman'/KLD's biggest error was appointing Lee Johnson. I hope they atone for this with Alex Neil who is a far more suitable appointment.
 
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