Lee Johnson



hi chaps
first things first i hate that black and white rubbish to along with the sports direct fat controller and the bald headed chap on mod[good start i hope)
hope i can give you a little piece on little lee. He was very marmite with are fans to be fair he stabilised us as a championship club but sorry to say that was about it.he is a manager that thinks to much and worry's more about the opposing team than your own, yes we had a good cup run when we beat man u and run man c close but to be fair that was it, after that the football was as bad as have seen in my 40 years. Only one other manger i would just put behind little lee would be tony penis lol .i did not rate as a player as all he done was pass the ball backwards and i new that would be his management style and i was right. He likes to talk some rubbish after the game will always throw the players under the bus hence we would have bingo calls on are forum to see who could pick the side as it change every week hence the nickname streaky lee win five lose five.i really though you would have took a punt on steve cotts as he is a hero to us best football i seen down the gate when we romped it and as straight talking as you get ,got the best out of the players and was truly shafted when sacked. What i mean by shafted is he did not get anywhere near the money little lee had of uncle steve to slash up the wall on some rubbish. Sorry i expect srewsbury to start climbing the table and hopefully push them gas heads down another spot.

on another note a good thing with covid you loyal support have not got to travel to the gypsy site on the north side of Bristol ,since you been there last they have put up another tent so you wont get wet and added a few more deckchairs and picnic tables you chaps must be gutted

good luck boys hope you do come back up way to big to be in that league
What is your viewpoint on statues of dead slave traders?
 

pixie345

Midfield
Strange post. Bristol is a big city and Bristol City rightly have ambitions to get into the Premier League. Why shouldn't they if the likes of Brighton are there? Johnson's job was to get them into the Premier League and he couldn't even get them into the play offs. It is patronizing to talk about them as a stabilized club in the Championship. Looking at Johnson's record and listening to the Barnsley and Bristol City fans above its pretty clear that the best we could hope for would for Johnson to play a major role in us becoming a stabilized League One club. In a year when we are desperate to get because the wage cap will cause utter chaos for us next year why would we appoint a manager who has never even got close to the play offs in his previous jobs? What are the benefits he would bring?

We are clearly getting hung up on job titles. Johnson's coaching abilities have brought no success so far. Why would we expect all of a sudden that his coaching will improve to the extent we get promotion? If he was a good coach surely there would be one season he could point to where he's got a team beyond mid table.
Bristol is also a rugby city, which ofcourse does not mean the footy team can't make the top flight mind. Never said they aren't allowed ambitons and without doubt wasn't patronising (perception, but not reality). They are stabilized , as in not looking like a relegation candidate, that's just close on to being a fact. I'm just not sure why Bristol City would expect, not hope, to be guaranteed at least top 6 and eventual promotion. They don't have the squad of any relegated side and haven't excessively compared to other teams pushing.I'm fairly sure half that league or more are hoping for top 6, whilst relegated sides will expect it unless they have their squad ravaged like we did. It is the toughest league in the World to get out of,allegedly.

I'd actually like to see Bristol City go up.
 
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hi chaps
first things first i hate that black and white rubbish to along with the sports direct fat controller and the bald headed chap on mod[good start i hope)
hope i can give you a little piece on little lee. He was very marmite with are fans to be fair he stabilised us as a championship club but sorry to say that was about it.he is a manager that thinks to much and worry's more about the opposing team than your own, yes we had a good cup run when we beat man u and run man c close but to be fair that was it, after that the football was as bad as have seen in my 40 years. Only one other manger i would just put behind little lee would be tony penis lol .i did not rate as a player as all he done was pass the ball backwards and i new that would be his management style and i was right. He likes to talk some rubbish after the game will always throw the players under the bus hence we would have bingo calls on are forum to see who could pick the side as it change every week hence the nickname streaky lee win five lose five.i really though you would have took a punt on steve cotts as he is a hero to us best football i seen down the gate when we romped it and as straight talking as you get ,got the best out of the players and was truly shafted when sacked. What i mean by shafted is he did not get anywhere near the money little lee had of uncle steve to slash up the wall on some rubbish. Sorry i expect srewsbury to start climbing the table and hopefully push them gas heads down another spot.

on another note a good thing with covid you loyal support have not got to travel to the gypsy site on the north side of Bristol ,since you been there last they have put up another tent so you wont get wet and added a few more deckchairs and picnic tables you chaps must be gutted

good luck boys hope you do come back up way to big to be in that league
f***ing hell, don't forget to take a breath whilst you're spewing all that out
It is the toughest league in the World to get out of,allegedly.
well that's nonsense as we've got out of it many times, mostly recently without any effort at all
 
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Barnsley Fan

Reserve Squad
Hi Sunderland fans,

Hope you're all keeping well. I've joined the board to attempt to give you a balanced view on Lee Johnson. I'm afraid I might find this hard though as I'm sure you find out on reading this post.

Lee Johnson was appointed following the sacking of Steve Cotterill. Cotts had just given us our best ever season, albeit it at league one level. We won the league at a canter amassing 99 points and just for good measure we won the Mickey Mouse trophy (Johnsons Paint). Regrettably things didn't fare so well in the Championship and at the first sign of trouble, he was booted out with us third from bottom, two points from safety with half the season gone. Our chairman, Steve Lansdown offered Cotts no backing whatsoever and was very quick to pull the trigger.

This brought about the appointment of Lee Johnson. Poached from Barnsley where he'd done quite well. They'd eventually get promoted off the back of his start to the season, although they had recently endured their record losing streak under LJ and so the reality is that the Barnsley fans weren't exactly massively upset to see him go.

Things changed dramatically when LJ was appointed. you may be aware of LJ's dad Gary. He was a legend of a manager for us and took us to the play off final in 07/08 with a squad that performed well above the level of the players contained within it (remember this point). It was during this time that Steve Lansdown (owner) struck up a lasting friendship with the Johnson family - alarm bells ringing at all?

A closed cheque book for Steve Cotterill suddenly opened wide and players that Cotts hadn't been allowed to sign (Lee Tomlin - 20k wages, our highest earner being on 13k) were suddenly given the green light. On the back of these signings, including your own (I think) Adam Matthews, Tomlin and Peter Odemwinge, Lee Johnson guided us to safety.

In the coming seasons we'd see signings authorised left, right and centre. For millions and millions of pounds. Money was thrown about like we've never seen before - some (including me) would say because of Lansdown's fondness for Johnson. And we established ourselves as a team that would flatter to deceive. It cannot be ignore that admit it all Lee Johnson stumbled across a formula to have us playing scintillating football and we were neck and neck with Wolves up until Christmas at the top of the league, including beating Manchester United in the league cup quarters and narrowly losing each of the semis to an injury time goal, until we'll crumbled away in extremely poor fashion that saw us go on a remarkable streak of results that looked like that welsh train station with the really long name, these runs included a record 8/9 L's in a row and another similar run. And a number of fans took to christening him streaky Johnson as he'd manage to paper over the cracks (my opinion) with a couple of wins and a draw thereafter.

Signing wise, Johnson signed a lot of dross. He signed foreigners that played next to no minutes, including the NZ goalkeeper who had arguably the worst performance any player has ever had for Bristol City ever, or maybe even any football team ever. There were a few like this. Players he talk up, pay a lot and then not play.

Things weren't all bad on the transfer front though. He'd sign Adam Webster for 4.5m from Ipswich and sell him to Brighton for up to 26m and he signed Josh Brownhill for a pittance and sell him to Burnley for 7m (although this was pretty obviously always going to happen given his obvious talent).

Johnson also played a pretty uninspiring midfielder (who I'd have happily let go on a free) up top. Bobby Reid was in his last chance saloon at Bristol City when an injury crisis saw Johnson play him up front in a very successful pre season. We'd go onto sell him to Cardiff for 10m and he now remarkably pays his trade with Fulham in the Prem. Johnson can take full credit for that.

He's also sell Johnathon Kodjia (15m to Villa), Aden Flint (7m - i forget whether to Cardiff or Boro) and Joe Bryan (6m Fulham), and whereas pro LJers would have you believe this was LJ's work, they were already at City (and had performed well) and so I'd suggest his credit in the transfers is extremely limited.

Post that defeat to Wolves, our football became awful. The worst we've ever seen at Bristol City. At the opposite end of the spectrum to what we'd seen earlier that season - hence why i used the phrase 'stumbled across a formula' earlier in this write up, it genuinely wasn't me being disingenuous. We were crap and Ashton Gate became anything but a fortress. We were weak, football was awful and more and more often fans would be calling for his head. But his good family friend Steve Lansdown stuck with him. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all bad, away from home we became masters of nicking a 0-1 win on the road, but this would (in my opinion) paper over the cracks of the dour home form.

We'd regularly enjoy a decent enough start to the season and then fade away dramatically to 8-12th spot and given the tens of millions of outgoings and then now bulging wage structure, Johnson left us with a bloated squad with players in it that we knew were quality (Tamas Kalas - 2 promotions to prom), but somehow they managed to look like sunday league players.

Don't get me started on playing players out of position, we'd see players shoehorned into the starting line up at the expense of someone who genuinely would play in the position that he needed to fill. Then there was the 'Johnson Tombola' - if you want a steady and consistent line up then I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place. Our star left winger - who'd finish last season at the top of the assist making charts, couldn't get a run of games in the team no matter how well he played - can you imagine his stats if he'd got a fair crack?

Then there's the credit taking. If we won "They players stuck to my plan brilliantly", if we lost he'd single players out. I seem to recall a game where we lost heavily. He brought on a sub at half time (or there abouts) with us 2 or 3 down, the proceeded to blame him when we lost 4-0. Our ability to hold a lead became nothing short of awful - do you recall when we were 3-0 up against you at half time and drew 3-3? Awful. Blaming players is something Johnson does equally as well as taking credit himself. And he's good at excuses, blaming Villa beating us on the positioning of the away fans and excuses too... there was a time when we got completely trounced by Brentford nd he said something like "After their third goal, we more than matched them" - we lost 3-0. You getting the picture yet?

Now comes my favourite point about Lee Johnson. The Johnsonisms. He is completely full of shit. As i understand it, there was quite a David Brent type character on STID? I never got far enough into the series to meet him, but LJ is more than a match for him. It got to a point where i couldn't listen to him. Win lose or draw I couldn't stand hearing what he had to say. It was just an embarrassment - I hope you'll learn exactly what it is that i'm referring to - but let just say you'd be well placed to start a thread on "Johnsonisms" on your forum and it'll be well populated very quickly.

I'm afraid I can't bring you much joyful news about your impending appointment of Lee Johnson. There were many points during his tenure where i'd have taken anyone to replace him - literally anyone - the football was that bad.

He does silly things, like measure the length of the grass, spend a shift in A&E, go to an army training camp, spend a night in the kitchen of a Michelin starred restaurant and his latest boast is to have sat down with someone who's amassed 9,000 hours of army interrogation - this is the sort of bullshit that might impress the newspapers, but in reality when he's playing a LB at CD, or a winger in CM don't really matter. He's calls them the 1%'s, but the 90%'s that matter, he couldn't seem to master.

So good luck Sunderland. I'm afraid to say you're going to need it. When you hear sky Sports refer to Bristol City playing a fast attacking expansive brand of football, the reality is that they're basing it on 4 months out of 5 years. The rest was rubbish. There came a point they'd say it every time we where on TV.

I hope that A Bristol City fan can come on here an give a good counter argument. As you can tell from above I'm absolutely no LJ fan, and I might have undersold some of his strengths (thinking about the opponent strengths rather than our own is another one). There are City fans who like him, but they tend to be the ones who deliberately ignore that he only got the job because the owner is essentially his god father and backed him with more finances that we've ever seen before.

Good luck lads and lasses. I fear you'll need it. Because at Sunderland he'll be without his biggest strength - Steve Lansdown.

Fordy
All of that rings very familiar, having put up with the dwarf for the best part of a year.

You allude to 'Johnsonisms' - the awkward giggling in his press conferences is what did it for me.

I paraphrase, but:

"So, Lee, your reaction after losing eight billion League One games in a row, having also been knocked out of the FA Cup by the worst team in the Conference?"

"Well, *giggle*, obviously we need to do better. *giggle* Heh, you know, I back myself to turn it around. *laugh*"

I like Sunderland, and this place is utterly brilliant, so I hope he has changed for the better if they end up with him.
 
All of that rings very familiar, having put up with the dwarf for the best part of a year.

You allude to 'Johnsonisms' - the awkward giggling in his press conferences is what did it for me.

I paraphrase, but:

"So, Lee, your reaction after losing eight billion League One games in a row, having also been knocked out of the FA Cup by the worst team in the Conference?"

"Well, *giggle*, obviously we need to do better. *giggle* Heh, you know, I back myself to turn it around. *laugh*"

I like Sunderland, and this place is utterly brilliant, so I hope he has changed for the better if they end up with him.
Oh god...
 

Fordy62

Reserve Squad
All of that rings very familiar, having put up with the dwarf for the best part of a year.

You allude to 'Johnsonisms' - the awkward giggling in his press conferences is what did it for me.

I paraphrase, but:

"So, Lee, your reaction after losing eight billion League One games in a row, having also been knocked out of the FA Cup by the worst team in the Conference?"

"Well, *giggle*, obviously we need to do better. *giggle* Heh, you know, I back myself to turn it around. *laugh*"

I like Sunderland, and this place is utterly brilliant, so I hope he has changed for the better if they end up with him.
Oh god. I’d banished the nervous giggling after a defeat to the back of my mind. You’ve just brought it flooding back!
 
Bristol is also a rugby city, which ofcourse does not mean the footy team can't make the top flight mind. Never said they aren't allowed ambitons and without doubt wasn't patronising (perception, but not reality). They are stabilized , as in not looking like a relegation candidate, that's just close on to being a fact. I'm just not sure why Bristol City would expect, not hope, to be guaranteed at least top 6 and eventual promotion. They don't have the squad of any relegated side and haven't excessively compared to other teams pushing.I'm fairly sure half that league or more are hoping for top 6, whilst relegated sides will expect it unless they have their squad ravaged like we did. It is the toughest league in the World to get out of,allegedly.

I'd actually like to see Bristol City go up.
With Bristol Rugby now pushing at the top of the Premiership, and winning the rugby equivalent of the Europa League last season, they've been getting more of Lansdown's attention.

While City fans would love to go up, they certainly do not regard the PL as their natural level.
 

LUBITSCH

Winger
With Bristol Rugby now pushing at the top of the Premiership, and winning the rugby equivalent of the Europa League last season, they've been getting more of Lansdown's attention.

While City fans would love to go up, they certainly do not regard the PL as their natural level.
Well they've only had four top flight seasons since WW1, the last forty years ago, so it's not surprising they don't regard it as their natural level. But with the investment from Lansdown they had every right to have expected them to come a lot closer than Johnson ever got them.
 

Alfa

Striker
"So, Lee, your reaction after losing eight billion League One games in a row, having also been knocked out of the FA Cup by the worst team in the Conference?"

"Well, *giggle*, obviously we need to do better. *giggle* Heh, you know, I back myself to turn it around. *laugh*"
Sounds worryingly Parkinson like (Other than the giggling). Lose three games in a row in this League and he’d soon feel the wrath of the fans here. I’m sure it effected Ross here after he started getting grief and that was for drawing too many. He became ultra cautious and it cost him his job.
 

viccarlton

Striker
hi chaps
first things first i hate that black and white rubbish to along with the sports direct fat controller and the bald headed chap on mod[good start i hope)
hope i can give you a little piece on little lee. He was very marmite with are fans to be fair he stabilised us as a championship club but sorry to say that was about it.he is a manager that thinks to much and worry's more about the opposing team than your own, yes we had a good cup run when we beat man u and run man c close but to be fair that was it, after that the football was as bad as have seen in my 40 years. Only one other manger i would just put behind little lee would be tony penis lol .i did not rate as a player as all he done was pass the ball backwards and i new that would be his management style and i was right. He likes to talk some rubbish after the game will always throw the players under the bus hence we would have bingo calls on are forum to see who could pick the side as it change every week hence the nickname streaky lee win five lose five.i really though you would have took a punt on steve cotts as he is a hero to us best football i seen down the gate when we romped it and as straight talking as you get ,got the best out of the players and was truly shafted when sacked. What i mean by shafted is he did not get anywhere near the money little lee had of uncle steve to slash up the wall on some rubbish. Sorry i expect srewsbury to start climbing the table and hopefully push them gas heads down another spot.

on another note a good thing with covid you loyal support have not got to travel to the gypsy site on the north side of Bristol ,since you been there last they have put up another tent so you wont get wet and added a few more deckchairs and picnic tables you chaps must be gutted

good luck boys hope you do come back up way to big to be in that league
Nowt personal marra, but I always have difficulty in giving credence to anyone that has difficulties with the English language, I may be being harsh but there you go.
Pop back with another opinion when you can express it correctly.
 

SAFC Wilks

Striker
I am shocked.
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Hi Sunderland fans,

Hope you're all keeping well. I've joined the board to attempt to give you a balanced view on Lee Johnson. I'm afraid I might find this hard though as I'm sure you find out on reading this post.

Lee Johnson was appointed following the sacking of Steve Cotterill. Cotts had just given us our best ever season, albeit it at league one level. We won the league at a canter amassing 99 points and just for good measure we won the Mickey Mouse trophy (Johnsons Paint). Regrettably things didn't fare so well in the Championship and at the first sign of trouble, he was booted out with us third from bottom, two points from safety with half the season gone. Our chairman, Steve Lansdown offered Cotts no backing whatsoever and was very quick to pull the trigger.

This brought about the appointment of Lee Johnson. Poached from Barnsley where he'd done quite well. They'd eventually get promoted off the back of his start to the season, although they had recently endured their record losing streak under LJ and so the reality is that the Barnsley fans weren't exactly massively upset to see him go.

Things changed dramatically when LJ was appointed. you may be aware of LJ's dad Gary. He was a legend of a manager for us and took us to the play off final in 07/08 with a squad that performed well above the level of the players contained within it (remember this point). It was during this time that Steve Lansdown (owner) struck up a lasting friendship with the Johnson family - alarm bells ringing at all?

A closed cheque book for Steve Cotterill suddenly opened wide and players that Cotts hadn't been allowed to sign (Lee Tomlin - 20k wages, our highest earner being on 13k) were suddenly given the green light. On the back of these signings, including your own (I think) Adam Matthews, Tomlin and Peter Odemwinge, Lee Johnson guided us to safety.

In the coming seasons we'd see signings authorised left, right and centre. For millions and millions of pounds. Money was thrown about like we've never seen before - some (including me) would say because of Lansdown's fondness for Johnson. And we established ourselves as a team that would flatter to deceive. It cannot be ignore that admit it all Lee Johnson stumbled across a formula to have us playing scintillating football and we were neck and neck with Wolves up until Christmas at the top of the league, including beating Manchester United in the league cup quarters and narrowly losing each of the semis to an injury time goal, until we'll crumbled away in extremely poor fashion that saw us go on a remarkable streak of results that looked like that welsh train station with the really long name, these runs included a record 8/9 L's in a row and another similar run. And a number of fans took to christening him streaky Johnson as he'd manage to paper over the cracks (my opinion) with a couple of wins and a draw thereafter.

Signing wise, Johnson signed a lot of dross. He signed foreigners that played next to no minutes, including the NZ goalkeeper who had arguably the worst performance any player has ever had for Bristol City ever, or maybe even any football team ever. There were a few like this. Players he talk up, pay a lot and then not play.

Things weren't all bad on the transfer front though. He'd sign Adam Webster for 4.5m from Ipswich and sell him to Brighton for up to 26m and he signed Josh Brownhill for a pittance and sell him to Burnley for 7m (although this was pretty obviously always going to happen given his obvious talent).

Johnson also played a pretty uninspiring midfielder (who I'd have happily let go on a free) up top. Bobby Reid was in his last chance saloon at Bristol City when an injury crisis saw Johnson play him up front in a very successful pre season. We'd go onto sell him to Cardiff for 10m and he now remarkably pays his trade with Fulham in the Prem. Johnson can take full credit for that.

He's also sell Johnathon Kodjia (15m to Villa), Aden Flint (7m - i forget whether to Cardiff or Boro) and Joe Bryan (6m Fulham), and whereas pro LJers would have you believe this was LJ's work, they were already at City (and had performed well) and so I'd suggest his credit in the transfers is extremely limited.

Post that defeat to Wolves, our football became awful. The worst we've ever seen at Bristol City. At the opposite end of the spectrum to what we'd seen earlier that season - hence why i used the phrase 'stumbled across a formula' earlier in this write up, it genuinely wasn't me being disingenuous. We were crap and Ashton Gate became anything but a fortress. We were weak, football was awful and more and more often fans would be calling for his head. But his good family friend Steve Lansdown stuck with him. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all bad, away from home we became masters of nicking a 0-1 win on the road, but this would (in my opinion) paper over the cracks of the dour home form.

We'd regularly enjoy a decent enough start to the season and then fade away dramatically to 8-12th spot and given the tens of millions of outgoings and then now bulging wage structure, Johnson left us with a bloated squad with players in it that we knew were quality (Tamas Kalas - 2 promotions to prom), but somehow they managed to look like sunday league players.

Don't get me started on playing players out of position, we'd see players shoehorned into the starting line up at the expense of someone who genuinely would play in the position that he needed to fill. Then there was the 'Johnson Tombola' - if you want a steady and consistent line up then I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place. Our star left winger - who'd finish last season at the top of the assist making charts, couldn't get a run of games in the team no matter how well he played - can you imagine his stats if he'd got a fair crack?

Then there's the credit taking. If we won "They players stuck to my plan brilliantly", if we lost he'd single players out. I seem to recall a game where we lost heavily. He brought on a sub at half time (or there abouts) with us 2 or 3 down, the proceeded to blame him when we lost 4-0. Our ability to hold a lead became nothing short of awful - do you recall when we were 3-0 up against you at half time and drew 3-3? Awful. Blaming players is something Johnson does equally as well as taking credit himself. And he's good at excuses, blaming Villa beating us on the positioning of the away fans and excuses too... there was a time when we got completely trounced by Brentford nd he said something like "After their third goal, we more than matched them" - we lost 3-0. You getting the picture yet?

Now comes my favourite point about Lee Johnson. The Johnsonisms. He is completely full of shit. As i understand it, there was quite a David Brent type character on STID? I never got far enough into the series to meet him, but LJ is more than a match for him. It got to a point where i couldn't listen to him. Win lose or draw I couldn't stand hearing what he had to say. It was just an embarrassment - I hope you'll learn exactly what it is that i'm referring to - but let just say you'd be well placed to start a thread on "Johnsonisms" on your forum and it'll be well populated very quickly.

I'm afraid I can't bring you much joyful news about your impending appointment of Lee Johnson. There were many points during his tenure where i'd have taken anyone to replace him - literally anyone - the football was that bad.

He does silly things, like measure the length of the grass, spend a shift in A&E, go to an army training camp, spend a night in the kitchen of a Michelin starred restaurant and his latest boast is to have sat down with someone who's amassed 9,000 hours of army interrogation - this is the sort of bullshit that might impress the newspapers, but in reality when he's playing a LB at CD, or a winger in CM don't really matter. He's calls them the 1%'s, but the 90%'s that matter, he couldn't seem to master.

So good luck Sunderland. I'm afraid to say you're going to need it. When you hear sky Sports refer to Bristol City playing a fast attacking expansive brand of football, the reality is that they're basing it on 4 months out of 5 years. The rest was rubbish. There came a point they'd say it every time we where on TV.

I hope that A Bristol City fan can come on here an give a good counter argument. As you can tell from above I'm absolutely no LJ fan, and I might have undersold some of his strengths (thinking about the opponent strengths rather than our own is another one). There are City fans who like him, but they tend to be the ones who deliberately ignore that he only got the job because the owner is essentially his god father and backed him with more finances that we've ever seen before.

Good luck lads and lasses. I fear you'll need it. Because at Sunderland he'll be without his biggest strength - Steve Lansdown.

Fordy
Sounds like a massive improvement on Parkinson.
 
Well they've only had four top flight seasons since WW1, the last forty years ago, so it's not surprising they don't regard it as their natural level. But with the investment from Lansdown they had every right to have expected them to come a lot closer than Johnson ever got them.
Most of Lansdown's cash has gone on the ground and the rugby. Their transfer business has been largely self-financed.
 

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