Lee congerton is the most important signing we've made for years.


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i realise that stats don't tell you the whole picture but we need an edge to succeed in any way shape or form, congerton is a stats man and this is what we need, di fanti didn't work but you have to give credit to Ellis short he's created something and is trying to execute a plan which doesn't just involve letting a manager go nuts with your money and often doesn't work.

whatever has happened this season and whatever happens going forward i think he deserves huge credit just for trying something new and not sitting idally by while smaller or similar clubs like Southampton and everton repeatedly outperform us and either produce or buy better talent than we have.
 
Di Fanti didn't work because he was an agent and not a director

At least Congerton has previous experience of that role
 
He's got a big job on his hands given how many players we are going to need over the summer when all those out of contract/loan players depart.
 
Disagree strongly.......we are where we are because we "tried something new"........it's been an unmitigated disaster and all we are doing is putting another layer between what the manager wants and what the manager gets.
Swaying more towards this. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I just like a manager who oversees everything. If things are good then well done to him, if things are bad then let him explain himself. I just think people buying players for other people to manage is always going to cause problems somewhere. The manager has to like not only the ability but the attitude and personality of his players. Hope it works obviously but I'm sceptical...
 
Disagree strongly.......we are where we are because we "tried something new"........it's been an unmitigated disaster and all we are doing is putting another layer between what the manager wants and what the manager gets.
what was last year?

We've had 2 okay years out of 6 and we spent absolute millions to get there, we spend about ten times every team in the league for every point we gain, something has gone wrong hugely.[DOUBLEPOST=1394790061][/DOUBLEPOST]
Swaying more towards this. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I just like a manager who oversees everything. If things are good then well done to him, if things are bad then let him explain himself. I just think people buying players for other people to manage is always going to cause problems somewhere. The manager has to like not only the ability but the attitude and personality of his players. Hope it works obviously but I'm sceptical...
that's not how it works.
 
I think we should create something new and novel like "the boot room" for instance where the manager and coaches can chew the cud
 
i realise that stats don't tell you the whole picture but we need an edge to succeed in any way shape or form, congerton is a stats man and this is what we need, di fanti didn't work but you have to give credit to Ellis short he's created something and is trying to execute a plan which doesn't just involve letting a manager go nuts with your money and often doesn't work.

whatever has happened this season and whatever happens going forward i think he deserves huge credit just for trying something new and not sitting idally by while smaller or similar clubs like Southampton and everton repeatedly outperform us and either produce or buy better talent than we have.
Serious question, do you know what this Lee Congreton has achieved and what his credentials are. Personally, I have never heard of him and what he has supposed to have done to warrant such praise. I dont agree with this DOF shite, still dont fully understand how it is all meant to fit together with Managers, Scouts, Chief Execs etc, to me its just another body in the chain of command, and a bigger chance of everything going tits up when him and Poyet disagree of some randon German, since thats where he has parked his arse for the last 3 years. Suppose it will be interesting to see how the Hamburg model goes now, wonder if we will ever see a SAFC model?
 
what was last year?

We've had 2 okay years out of 6 and we spent absolute millions to get there, we spend about ten times every team in the league for every point we gain, something has gone wrong hugely.[DOUBLEPOST=1394790061][/DOUBLEPOST]
that's not how it works.
Oh well. Think I'll have a party in anticipation of our upcoming success then..
 
Disagree strongly.......we are where we are because we "tried something new"........it's been an unmitigated disaster and all we are doing is putting another layer between what the manager wants and what the manager gets.


Sorry LA, but now I am disagreeing strongly with you :).

It wasn't because we tried something new. We cannot evaluate the new structure yet, it's much too early to do so. The failure in my opinion was down to failure in personnel recruitment.

I was interested in what the OP said about Congerton being a statistics man. I've nothing against statistics and their analysis, but I hope he has a lot more about him than a numbers only approach.
 
Swaying more towards this. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I just like a manager who oversees everything. If things are good then well done to him, if things are bad then let him explain himself. I just think people buying players for other people to manage is always going to cause problems somewhere. The manager has to like not only the ability but the attitude and personality of his players. Hope it works obviously but I'm sceptical...


Spurs are looking really poor atm after allowing a DOF to spend £100m in the summer.......some of those £20m+ players have barely kicked a ball this season but does Baldini get any flak. Man City have just gone out of two competitions in the space of 4 days and it could have been 3 if we'd carried a touch more quality. Liverpool have kicked on after they bladdered Comolli and Rodgers talked the club out of appointing Louis van Gaal as DOF. It fails more often than it works in this country and if clubs with a great standing in the game and geographical advantages over us can't make it work then I can't see how we will.
 
I look forward to him finding another gem like Altidore.
 
Sorry LA, but now I am disagreeing strongly with you :).

It wasn't because we tried something new. We cannot evaluate the new structure yet, it's much too early to do so. The failure in my opinion was down to failure in personnel recruitment.

I was interested in what the OP said about Congerton being a statistics man. I've nothing against statistics and their analysis, but I hope he has a lot more about him than a numbers only approach.


That's fine, no problems with that but I feel very strongly about this and just think it's unnecessary interference in the recruitment of players. I prefer a manager with a vision and one who knows exactly WHICH player (not WHICH TYPE of player) he wants.
 
Spurs are looking really poor atm after allowing a DOF to spend £100m in the summer.......some of those £20m+ players have barely kicked a ball this season but does Baldini get any flak. Man City have just gone out of two competitions in the space of 4 days and it could have been 3 if we'd carried a touch more quality. Liverpool have kicked on after they bladdered Comolli and Rodgers talked the club out of appointing Louis van Gaal as DOF. It fails more often than it works in this country and if clubs with a great standing in the game and geographical advantages over us can't make it work then I can't see how we will.

It's a bizarre job title isn't it? A Director of Football sounds to me like somebody who has responsibility for the style of football played throughout the club, and management of all of the resources used to achieve that style and success with it.

So that would leave Gus as a coach working for the DoF - together with the rest of the coaching, medical etc staff. Which ain't how it is (I hope).

I would love to see a definition of the SAFC DoF role.
 
Disagree strongly.......we are where we are because we "tried something new"........it's been an unmitigated disaster and all we are doing is putting another layer between what the manager wants and what the manager gets.

We are where we are because of years and years and years of getting it wrong. We made an attempt to change it,which failed miserably. However,to revert back to what has previously failed miserably is crazy. If we have learned from the mistakes of the first attempt to change,and have another go,we might get it right. One thing is for sure,we can't carry on as we have in the past.

On the role itself, I still can't see why this system works perfectly well with successful clubs elsewhere and people think it can't work for us. There seems to be an assumption that the technical director will sign players without either the knowledge or approval of the team manager and this just doesn't have to be the case. If the manager tells the technical director what sort of players he needs at the club and the technical director then organises the identification of target players through his scouting system,then goes to watch the target players with the manager and the pair of them decide which ones they like, the actual approaches,talks,deals,finances etc.can be left to the technical director while the manager gets on with coaching the players. No-one is being signed without the manager approval.Isn't that how it works?
 
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