Le Saux gay taunts article.


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Fowler waggling his arse at le Saux wasn't considered acceptable then - he got a two game ban for it.

I think le Saux also got sanctioned for elbowing Fowler in the head shortly after he did it.
 
Powerful article. No wonder players wait until retirement to announce that they are gay.

Some pretty poor comments in this thread too. Just banter though, I guess?
 
Powerful article. No wonder players wait until retirement to announce that they are gay.

Some pretty poor comments in this thread too. Just banter though, I guess?

Double standards by some people. Call it banter and it's OK. In my book it's not acceptable full stop.

Just talking with a mate and it seems le Saux was on the radio yesterday saying that Fowler has since apoligised to him. We all do things we are not proud of, the key is accepting we were wrong. Not many people do that.
 
Wouldn't call what fowler did as bullying (I'm only talking about that photo), more trying to wind the opponent up. Personally i would laugh it off and give him a bit back.

It's a bit different when you're on national TV. Forget about Le Saux being upset - Fowler's joke was "you're gay and your should be embarrassed about it".

Suarez got a 9 game ban for a contested comment about race that was very mild by comparison.

It's not 'banter', at best it's bullying. The fact that so many can dismiss it as 'banter' say a lot about attitudes to homosexuality in football.
 
a bully doesn't change his spots owernight imo mate. a read of their bbc personnel files would be interesting imo
Unlikely, no-one dares open their mouths about "the talent" at that place. Most production staff are on fixed term contracts and rely on being picked from a pool of people for each new gig. It's easy to have people not get picked up cos a producer or whatever doesn't like their face
 
I couldnt give 2 shits if someone prefers to smoke poles (dont understand it particularly, but each to their own and all that). But to all those (usually the same posters I notice) PC brigade posters who are up in arms and offended about everything on other peoples behalf, one question... How come you never jump on anyones back when they call someone a dirty mag, or suchlike..?! Id be far more offended to be called a skunk than a gay..., but surely its one and the same no?
 
It's a bit different when you're on national TV. Forget about Le Saux being upset - Fowler's joke was "you're gay and your should be embarrassed about it".

Suarez got a 9 game ban for a contested comment about race that was very mild by comparison.

It's not 'banter', at best it's bullying. The fact that so many can dismiss it as 'banter' say a lot about attitudes to homosexuality in football.

You do realise that in between bullying and banter there is a large gap filled by things called teasing, jokes, humour etc? It is not just a line between the two - much more complex.

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Whereas I am unable to call Fowler a C**t, as he was only teasing and trying to annoy and get a rise out of an opponent, I am also able to distinguish between Fowler's "teasing/getting a rise" and actual bullying. From Fowler's point of view he was taking part in a one-off instance of teasing. From Le Saux's point of view this was just more icing on the cake - he saw it everywhere and naturally found it upsetting - it was an amalgamation from numerous sources that created this - not just Fowler. I am certain that if Fowler truly understood how Le Saux viewed the instance then he would not have done it. I am also certain that the way Fowler viewed the incident was a lot more innocent.

All these things are wrong (as with all teasing and bullying - none of it is ever justifiable but I can never see it being totally eradicated) but it is important to note people's intentions rather than how it was perceived by the victim as this lets you know whether they intended to inflict hurt, have some fun, or in this case - hopefully wind your opponent up into making a mistake. Fowler certainly meant no long-term harm.

Attitudes change all the time and forms of teasing and bullying change or become unacceptable through it. When I was a kid, everyone was called gay instead of idiot - right or wrong! Nowadays, inroads are being made to stop the bullying of Ginger-haired people etc. There is no reason for anyone to read this story and not think the two following thoughts:

1. Fowler wasn't being Homophobic, meaning to intimidate or bully. He in no way meant any lasting harm - thoughtless rather than evil.
2. Le Saux had a horrid time of it being bullied by Media, Players and Fans. I only feel sorry for him having to endure it.

I don't think anyone needs to be on the side of Fowler or Le Saux as such but just understand the situation. I certainly read stories like this and am then more understanding of the thoughtless stuff I may say sometimes. I think that it helps us all gain a realisation from empathising with all parties involved and hopefully leads to less likelihood of upset in future.
 
You do realise that in between bullying and banter there is a large gap filled by things called teasing, jokes, humour etc? It is not just a line between the two - much more complex.

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Whereas I am unable to call Fowler a C**t, as he was only teasing and trying to annoy and get a rise out of an opponent, I am also able to distinguish between Fowler's "teasing/getting a rise" and actual bullying. From Fowler's point of view he was taking part in a one-off instance of teasing. From Le Saux's point of view this was just more icing on the cake - he saw it everywhere and naturally found it upsetting - it was an amalgamation from numerous sources that created this - not just Fowler. I am certain that if Fowler truly understood how Le Saux viewed the instance then he would not have done it. I am also certain that the way Fowler viewed the incident was a lot more innocent.

All these things are wrong (as with all teasing and bullying - none of it is ever justifiable but I can never see it being totally eradicated) but it is important to note people's intentions rather than how it was perceived by the victim as this lets you know whether they intended to inflict hurt, have some fun, or in this case - hopefully wind your opponent up into making a mistake. Fowler certainly meant no long-term harm.

Attitudes change all the time and forms of teasing and bullying change or become unacceptable through it. When I was a kid, everyone was called gay instead of idiot - right or wrong! Nowadays, inroads are being made to stop the bullying of Ginger-haired people etc. There is no reason for anyone to read this story and not think the two following thoughts:

1. Fowler wasn't being Homophobic, meaning to intimidate or bully. He in no way meant any lasting harm - thoughtless rather than evil.
2. Le Saux had a horrid time of it being bullied by Media, Players and Fans. I only feel sorry for him having to endure it.

I don't think anyone needs to be on the side of Fowler or Le Saux as such but just understand the situation. I certainly read stories like this and am then more understanding of the thoughtless stuff I may say sometimes. I think that it helps us all gain a realisation from empathising with all parties involved and hopefully leads to less likelihood of upset in future.
This is one of the best posts I've ever read on here. I've took stick in this thread (unfairly in my opinion) and I agree with all this. The fact I found it funny when fowler stuck his arse out doesn't mean I'm oblivious to how le saux felt. I've still got my sense of humour and just like I found it funny others don't, I can deal with that but they seem to want to bring down people who don't think like them...
 
There's too much insecurity these days regarding mens' sexuality. I can totally side with Le Saux's views, he was clearly happy with his own life and sexuality. Just because he did things his way, he's automatically gay, because it seems 'cool' to call him that. These aspirations clearly mask mens' insecurity regarding their masculinity and sexuality. If it's anyone who has a problem here, it's Robbie Fowler and the likes of those who found it funny. It's quite frankly archaic, obnoxious and disgusting.
 
There's too much insecurity these days regarding mens' sexuality. I can totally side with Le Saux's views, he was clearly happy with his own life and sexuality. Just because he did things his way, he's automatically gay, because it seems 'cool' to call him that. These aspirations clearly mask mens' insecurity regarding their masculinity and sexuality. If it's anyone who has a problem here, it's Robbie Fowler and the likes of those who found it funny. It's quite frankly archaic, obnoxious and disgusting.
It's funny seeing how het up some folks get on others behalf's. :lol:
 
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