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Ah, that explains it.My IQ is 14/15 FFS.
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Ah, that explains it.My IQ is 14/15 FFS.
A gay mate at 14/15 FFS.
No he wasnt, his sister was a cokehead, and he was being blackmailed by 'gangsters'He was accused of being a cokehead and that was his response
No he wasnt, his sister was a cokehead, and he was being blackmailed by 'gangsters'
Powerful article. No wonder players wait until retirement to announce that they are gay.
Some pretty poor comments in this thread too. Just banter though, I guess?
He's done nowt to disprove people with such attitudes are a bit thick there mind.Ah, that explains it.
Why are people so touchy, its banter Le Saux isn't even gay anyway.
Surely it's only banter if both people enjoy the joke?
There's piss taking and there's bullying.Think quite a few enjoyed it.
No one likes getting the piss took out of them but you have to except a bit of stick, thats life.
Wouldn't call what fowler did as bullying (I'm only talking about that photo), more trying to wind the opponent up. Personally i would laugh it off and give him a bit back.There's piss taking and there's bullying.
Wouldn't call what fowler did as bullying (I'm only talking about that photo), more trying to wind the opponent up. Personally i would laugh it off and give him a bit back.
Unlikely, no-one dares open their mouths about "the talent" at that place. Most production staff are on fixed term contracts and rely on being picked from a pool of people for each new gig. It's easy to have people not get picked up cos a producer or whatever doesn't like their facea bully doesn't change his spots owernight imo mate. a read of their bbc personnel files would be interesting imo
It's a bit different when you're on national TV. Forget about Le Saux being upset - Fowler's joke was "you're gay and your should be embarrassed about it".
Suarez got a 9 game ban for a contested comment about race that was very mild by comparison.
It's not 'banter', at best it's bullying. The fact that so many can dismiss it as 'banter' say a lot about attitudes to homosexuality in football.
This is one of the best posts I've ever read on here. I've took stick in this thread (unfairly in my opinion) and I agree with all this. The fact I found it funny when fowler stuck his arse out doesn't mean I'm oblivious to how le saux felt. I've still got my sense of humour and just like I found it funny others don't, I can deal with that but they seem to want to bring down people who don't think like them...You do realise that in between bullying and banter there is a large gap filled by things called teasing, jokes, humour etc? It is not just a line between the two - much more complex.
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Whereas I am unable to call Fowler a C**t, as he was only teasing and trying to annoy and get a rise out of an opponent, I am also able to distinguish between Fowler's "teasing/getting a rise" and actual bullying. From Fowler's point of view he was taking part in a one-off instance of teasing. From Le Saux's point of view this was just more icing on the cake - he saw it everywhere and naturally found it upsetting - it was an amalgamation from numerous sources that created this - not just Fowler. I am certain that if Fowler truly understood how Le Saux viewed the instance then he would not have done it. I am also certain that the way Fowler viewed the incident was a lot more innocent.
All these things are wrong (as with all teasing and bullying - none of it is ever justifiable but I can never see it being totally eradicated) but it is important to note people's intentions rather than how it was perceived by the victim as this lets you know whether they intended to inflict hurt, have some fun, or in this case - hopefully wind your opponent up into making a mistake. Fowler certainly meant no long-term harm.
Attitudes change all the time and forms of teasing and bullying change or become unacceptable through it. When I was a kid, everyone was called gay instead of idiot - right or wrong! Nowadays, inroads are being made to stop the bullying of Ginger-haired people etc. There is no reason for anyone to read this story and not think the two following thoughts:
1. Fowler wasn't being Homophobic, meaning to intimidate or bully. He in no way meant any lasting harm - thoughtless rather than evil.
2. Le Saux had a horrid time of it being bullied by Media, Players and Fans. I only feel sorry for him having to endure it.
I don't think anyone needs to be on the side of Fowler or Le Saux as such but just understand the situation. I certainly read stories like this and am then more understanding of the thoughtless stuff I may say sometimes. I think that it helps us all gain a realisation from empathising with all parties involved and hopefully leads to less likelihood of upset in future.
It's funny seeing how het up some folks get on others behalf's.There's too much insecurity these days regarding mens' sexuality. I can totally side with Le Saux's views, he was clearly happy with his own life and sexuality. Just because he did things his way, he's automatically gay, because it seems 'cool' to call him that. These aspirations clearly mask mens' insecurity regarding their masculinity and sexuality. If it's anyone who has a problem here, it's Robbie Fowler and the likes of those who found it funny. It's quite frankly archaic, obnoxious and disgusting.