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Aye, that's the only conclusion. Tell you what though, Joshua is the template for any average boxer wanting to making millions.

It's a near impossible template to replicate without an Olympic gold. I know there was a very dodgy decision for him in getting it, but gold at super heavyweight is massive and really lays the world at your feet in terms of earning potential. Combined with a promoter dominating the domestic scene at the time, Fury getting caught cheating when AJ was ready to step up to world level and snatch a belt etc.

Made absolute fortunes despite his prime years mostly comprising of just decent world level guys. Never got to see him mix it with the other two fighters who alongside him were considered levels above the rest. Very solid career, some of the critics of him on here go way OTT and deserve the uncle Roger meme almost every time they pop in this thread. However I consider AJ an absolutely insufferable bloke, particularly since the US debut blew up in their face. Meant to be an absolutely top top bloke when people spend time around him though.
 
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For me he just wasn’t right on his feet from the off. His weight distribution, whole stance was just weird throughout.

Dubois has got a punch on him no doubt but a better boxer will pick him off no problem.

Watch him walking to the ring. He was all over the shop, he wanted to be anywhere but that arena.

He needs to walk away from boxing.

Hearn banging on about rematches is just complete delusion.
Theres a twitter video that I cant find at the minute of him stumbling on the way to the ring, definitely didnt trust himself even before he got punched last night.

Sad to see, does done brilliant in his career to done what he’s managed to, at least kept going until he went out on his shield so people cant throw that at him but he should retire now rather than have a series of money fights just because they should have happened years ago.
 
I'm no boxing expert and don't watch it much these days....but i was amazed last night that Joshua didn't seem to hold his guard up? Right from the start his gloves/guard seemed to be below his chin the whole time - surely this leaves you exposed?

I remember the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard used to do that to entice on opponents, but he was lighting quick so could get away with it.
 
Anthony Joshua was absolutely petrified when he was walking to the ring last night. He was genuinely scared and his performance showed that.

People can bang on about trainers and what not, Joshua was scared.
Was obvious from the opening 20 seconds or so that he was a fighter that has very little left in the tank and I'd be amazed if there weren't signs of that in his training camp beforehand.

It was like watching Khan against Brook a couple of years back.
 
Was obvious from the opening 20 seconds or so that he was a fighter that has very little left in the tank and I'd be amazed if there weren't signs of that in his training camp beforehand.

It was like watching Khan against Brook a couple of years back.
Hearn talking about the rematch this morning is beyond laughable. He got stopped in 5 rounds and was on his arse god knows how many times
 
Was obvious from the opening 20 seconds or so that he was a fighter that has very little left in the tank and I'd be amazed if there weren't signs of that in his training camp beforehand.

It was like watching Khan against Brook a couple of years back.
Yeah that’s a good comparison. Was a very odd performance.

Mind. DD looked very good
 
So, short answer - Dubois was brilliant and exposed AJ's huge weakness where he goes into panic mode when he takes a shot. You couldn't really say it was poor tactics or a mistake or AJ taking him lightly because Dubois didn't allow him the chance to do anything, he was all over him from the first bell. And AJ deserves some credit because, despite all this, he did rock him with the shot just before the KO and kept getting up every time he was put down.

Dubois has clearly taken a look at himself and genuinely has improved as a result. He fought well last night, making sure he went in behind the jab which paved the way for everything else. As you said, in the past Dubois had a tendency to leave himself open and walk onto counters, and in his last two fights he did that very thing and took a few to get to where he wanted it to be: pure grit and determination saw his win those two fights. Last night, it looked like Dubois had learned that lesson.

I'd give him further credit in that he took a few decent hits from Joshua and dealt with them.
 
Was obvious from the opening 20 seconds or so that he was a fighter that has very little left in the tank and I'd be amazed if there weren't signs of that in his training camp beforehand.

It was like watching Khan against Brook a couple of years back.
100% mate I posted here after 30 seconds of the fight starting that Joshua was timid and on the back foot already
 
Yeah that’s a good comparison. Was a very odd performance.

Mind. DD looked very good
Yeah he was very good. Obviously got the technical stuff spot on but the composure he showed throughout the fight, especially for the finish whilst clearly hurt himself, was extremely impressive.

Don Charles has done an incredible job with him on the mental side of his game.
 
Money wise definitely
Always comes up short against those better than him
Not one of the greats that’s for sure

Lost to Ruiz, won the rematch. Lost to Usyk twice in total dominant but not disgraceful performances (in the ring anyway, were totally disgraceful outside the ring :D). Before DDD, he'd beaten every opponent he'd faced as a professional other than Usyk, who also dominated Fury.
 
Money wise definitely
Always comes up short against those better than him
Not one of the greats that’s for sure
To be fair I think Usyk's probably the only genuine great heavyweight since Lewis retired. Fury would probably go into that bracket if he legitimately beats Usyk in the rematch.

As for Joshua he's been great entertainment throughout his career and has done a hell of a lot for British boxing but really needs to hang them up now.
 
Very solid career, some of the critics of him on here go way OTT and deserve the uncle Roger meme almost every time they pop in this thread.

Aye, in the end Joshua went in there and took a lot of big shots that could have ended in Joshua being seriously hurt and so you don't want to be too critical. I agree with others in that Joshua looked nervous just before the fight started, like he had serious doubts and he knew all about Dubois' power. It could be that he watched Dubois' last two fights when Dubois looked like a different man, he looked full of grit and determination and like a man fighting for his self-respect after previous fights where he buckled and caved in. Add that change in mindset to his power and that's a dangerous combination. Dubois looked like a menace last night, aided by learning to use his jab to create opportunities. At 27 years old, he looks like he now has a blueprint to go onto better things.

As for Joshua, he'll be able to look back and say he achieved things that most others don't, although I think he's benefitted from a pretty poor heavyweight division. I don't think he would have lived with the likes of Riddick Bowe, never mind the likes of Lewis, but he's demonstrated he could deal with a few just about world level fighters when taken over the course of history (and a veteran who clearly was world level). If he's sensible he'll call it a day and enjoy his wealth while his health is in tact. Surely a rematch with this version of Dubois is a risk to his health that isn't worth taking.
 

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