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Seems that way, although I don't know what Ozzy attendances are like when the smaller nations are in town. I'm in Australia in February, I'll ask them.

I can't work out whether you are Piers Morgan or Essex Boy in disguise. Easy game this......

Apparently not as you are reliant on straw men.

60,000+ against Pakistan, SL etc at MCG for Boxing Day tests.

I For one don't want KP in the side. The new guys have done well, maybe some haven't shown enough for us to have confidence in them against the best (Ali, Woakes, Jordan) but I don't see a spot for KP at present, maybe if he wants to bowl he can challenge Moeen Ali? :)

But, I do think there is an issue with England, Cook hasn't shown himself to be a good leader but perhaps he's learning (I don't believe that leaders are born not made) but it's up to Cook to sort out any issues that may still exist in the dressing room.

Precisely.

Do you think Cook has it in him to sort it out?
 

CollingwoodFTM is the nugget who thinks KP does not have a cricketing brain.
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Don't confuse a cricketing brain with cricketing ability. KP is the most talented batsmen of his generation and his runs in all forms of cricket were crucial in England's success during this period. My comment is around his apparent inability to assess how he should adapt his approach to the state of the match. The greats of the game were able to do this and they ruled out the risky shots when the opposition got on top. KP ability is far greater than his test average of 47. He should have been in the mid 50s. Dravid, Ponting, Tendulkar and alike never threw away their wicket as frequently as KP.

When you compare him to Colly, who only averaged 7 less in tests, it is clear example of someone squeezing every ounce out of their ability compared to someone who was less focussed on doing so. It is probably my frustration at KP's recklessness that colours my overall opinion of him.

It is a similar situation to Botham's departure from Somerset as he supported Viv and Big Bird. They were replaced at Somerset in order to change the dressing room, as it was said that their personalities were not helping build the team ethos that Somerset wanted. ITB walked out in support.

All in all the whole process has not helped anyone but KP's book sales.
 
Tell me, what has MCG attendance figures got to do with the English public's appetite for Test cricket?

:lol::lol: All a bit weird like.

You claimed the ECB arranging 50% more test matches is down to public demand for test matches. The English public's demand is no more than Australia, who play a lot less test cricket, and I quoted attendance figures to back that up.

The lengths you will go to to make excuses for the ECB and wider cricketing establishment t is the weird thing.


In other words a stroke player.

Never heard anyone say Viv Richards 'didn't have a cricketing brain'...

You claimed the ECB arranging 50% more test matches is down to public demand for test matches. The English public's demand is no more than Australia, who play a lot less test cricket, and I quoted attendance figures to back that up.

The lengths you will go to to make excuses for the ECB and wider cricketing establishment t is the weird thing.



In other words a stroke player.

Never heard anyone say Viv Richards 'didn't have a cricketing brain'...

Last two lines in reply to CollingwoodFTM.
 
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You claimed the ECB arranging 50% more test matches is down to public demand for test matches. The English public's demand is no more than Australia, who play a lot less test cricket, and I quoted attendance figures to back that up.

The lengths you will go to to make excuses for the ECB and wider cricketing establishment t is the weird thing.



In other words a stroke player.

Never heard anyone say Viv Richards 'didn't have a cricketing brain'...



Last two lines in reply to CollingwoodFTM.
Don't think any one has claimed Viv didn't have a cricketing brain.
 
Went to a cricketer's lunch today with Geoff Miller and Graham Gooch, obviously this took up a fair bit of their time (neither has read the book).

Miller said that as he was a selector he wasn't close to the squad but the suggestion that there'd been any type of bullying was never something that even crossed the mind of the selectors.

First thing that Gooch said was:
"I called KP earlier this week and spoke to him, which made a nice change because he never spoke to me in the nets. I'm speaking in Manchester, people are going to ask about the situation, do you mind if I talk about it and he didn't say anything. When I got to the hotel there was a note at reception that said 'no you can't'. Who'd have thought he could write a book but couldn't spell can't?"

Gooch said that if he lent KP £1,000 and he disappeared for 12 months he'd consider it money well spent. Said he's a terrific, game changing, box-office batsman who's been superb for England but the accusations he's made against Flower and Prior are totally inaccurate and it's an absolute nonsense to question their professionalism, integrity and dedication to the team. He was of the opinion that KP has an axe to grind and a book to sell and that's why it's as controversial as it is. His concern is the damage it's doing to the England team, in his opinion there are no winners from the whole thing. He also said that on the day KP played his 100th test match the players presented him with a memento in the dressing room and he stood up in front of the whole squad and coaching staff and said "This is the best team environment I've ever been in".

Didn't sound like he was to happy with Vaughan's input, saying if you want to get ahead in media you have to be controversial. I can't remember if it was Miller or Gooch but they said that maybe Vaughan was partially correct in saying KP had been mismanaged but when Vaughan managed KP he was a young player making his way in the game so was perhaps a different person and also there wasn't the distraction of the IPL at the time.

Didn't talk about any incidents in particular (texts, dossiers, twitter etc). Miller didn't say much about the situation, Gooch made it sound like he really didn't like KP and he is the one in the wrong.
 
You claimed the ECB arranging 50% more test matches is down to public demand for test matches. The English public's demand is no more than Australia, who play a lot less test cricket, and I quoted attendance figures to back that up.

The lengths you will go to to make excuses for the ECB and wider cricketing establishment t is the weird thing.

So tell me, what has the MCG attendances got to do with England selling out dozens of days of Test cricket every year? What has the demand in Australia got to do with England home games? You go on about straw men????

I would have thought that saying Test cricket is popular might be the least controversial thing ever said on this board.
 
Went to a cricketer's lunch today with Geoff Miller and Graham Gooch, obviously this took up a fair bit of their time (neither has read the book).

Miller said that as he was a selector he wasn't close to the squad but the suggestion that there'd been any type of bullying was never something that even crossed the mind of the selectors.

First thing that Gooch said was:
"I called KP earlier this week and spoke to him, which made a nice change because he never spoke to me in the nets. I'm speaking in Manchester, people are going to ask about the situation, do you mind if I talk about it and he didn't say anything. When I got to the hotel there was a note at reception that said 'no you can't'. Who'd have thought he could write a book but couldn't spell can't?"

Gooch said that if he lent KP £1,000 and he disappeared for 12 months he'd consider it money well spent. Said he's a terrific, game changing, box-office batsman who's been superb for England but the accusations he's made against Flower and Prior are totally inaccurate and it's an absolute nonsense to question their professionalism, integrity and dedication to the team. He was of the opinion that KP has an axe to grind and a book to sell and that's why it's as controversial as it is. His concern is the damage it's doing to the England team, in his opinion there are no winners from the whole thing. He also said that on the day KP played his 100th test match the players presented him with a memento in the dressing room and he stood up in front of the whole squad and coaching staff and said "This is the best team environment I've ever been in".

Didn't sound like he was to happy with Vaughan's input, saying if you want to get ahead in media you have to be controversial. I can't remember if it was Miller or Gooch but they said that maybe Vaughan was partially correct in saying KP had been mismanaged but when Vaughan managed KP he was a young player making his way in the game so was perhaps a different person and also there wasn't the distraction of the IPL at the time.

Didn't talk about any incidents in particular (texts, dossiers, twitter etc). Miller didn't say much about the situation, Gooch made it sound like he really didn't like KP and he is the one in the wrong.


hugely annoying on the radio...he does seem to say bollox for the sake of being controversial.
Thought Tufers would be the same but far from it.
 


Decent article by Boycott
"They even got a tea lady at Warwickshire to write a letter of complaint saying I had taken the crusts off my sandwiches which had upset her." You just know there's another side to that story :lol:

A stupid midweek Test this summer apart, the game is being run better than it ever has.
Ever? Shirley you must be joking. English cricket from the county game up is a dog's dinner.

Went to a cricketer's lunch today with Geoff Miller and Graham Gooch,
Which one of the three of you was the cricketer? ;):)
 
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"They even got a tea lady at Warwickshire to write a letter of complaint saying I had taken the crusts off my sandwiches which had upset her." You just know there's another side to that story :lol:

Ever? Shirley you must be joking. English cricket from the county game up is a dog's dinner.

Which one of the three of you was the cricketer? ;):)
Definitely not me ;) Apparently Mike Gatting would have liked the lunch. And yours....and yours....and yours....
 
Definitely not me ;) Apparently Mike Gatting would have liked the lunch. And yours....and yours....and yours....
Some journo interviewed him and another player I can't remember, and watching the journo writing the name down Gatting said "there are two Ts in Gatting" upon which the other player immediately said "yes, also two breakfasts, two lunches and two dinners".
 
So tell me, what has the MCG attendances got to do with England selling out dozens of days of Test cricket every year? What has the demand in Australia got to do with England home games? You go on about straw men????

I would have thought that saying Test cricket is popular might be the least controversial thing ever said on this board.

f***ing hell man.

For the third time, test cricket is no less popular in Australia. In fact it draws much bigger crowds. However they play substantially fewer test matches.

It is not the public who make the England team play 50% more tests, it is the ECB.

Besides, your argument is contradicted by the pisspoor attendances at Southampton and Headingley.
 
f***ing hell man.

For the third time, test cricket is no less popular in Australia. In fact it draws much bigger crowds. However they play substantially fewer test matches.

It is not the public who make the England team play 50% more tests, it is the ECB.

Besides, your argument is contradicted by the pisspoor attendances at Southampton and Headingley.

So what man? Who cares about Australian attendances? What the shiney shite does it have to do with Test cricket in this country?

Your line of argument seems to be that because Test cricket is popular in Australia, that means it isn't popular over here. Mental.

The ECB schedule so many Test matches because the public want them. 40,000 rocked up to Headlingley (days 4 and 5 were empty, granted), Southampton was shite, the rest were pretty much sold out for the 1st three or four days of each match. The tickets for the next Ashes are going on sale shortly and they are all going to sell out on the day of release.

Scheduling a midweek Test and shoehorning 5 Test into 6 weeks was a mistake. I've said that, a few times. But no, unless you dismiss everything the ECB do they you're labelled as some kind of apologist. This place man.

Ever? Shirley you must be joking. English cricket from the county game up is a dog's dinner.

Central contracts, training camps, fitness and orthopedic testing and schedules for each player. Ask any player involved with England and they will tell you that the difference between now and even 10 years ago is unbelievable. One good example is Chris Jordan - he's been tested to within an inch of his life and they've discovered a weakness in his action which will mean he will break down within the next couple of years, so he's changing it.

The tours always go off without a hitch logistically, you never hear of England lacking in any kind of facilities or training, the players are managed better than they ever have been.

Now, with the County game..... I think they've made a mistake spreading the T20 out and I think it would be better as a 3/4 week tournament in the middle of the season. People want to see the rent-a-bats smash the ball around and they aren't going to come for a whole season. Financially, the counties have never had more money from the ECB.
 
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Anyone suggesting the ECB is well ran/being ran as best as it ever has is on cloud cuckoo land. The ECB are an absolute mess at the moment, massively out of touch with 2014. They are absolutely destroying county cricket as well

The tours always go off without a hitch logistically, you never hear of England lacking in any kind of facilities or training, the players are managed better than they ever have been.

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We lost 5-0 in Australia recently.
 
We lost 5-0 in Australia recently.

Yeah, we had an enemy within undermining the coach, captain and his team-mates......

I feel like I have to put the words 'NOT ENTIRELY SERIOUS' in massive letters.

Anyone suggesting the ECB is well ran/being ran as best as it ever has is on cloud cuckoo land. The ECB are an absolute mess at the moment, massively out of touch with 2014. They are absolutely destroying county cricket as well.

You an others keep saying this but nobody ever wants to say why. If the ECB are 'an absolute mess' then give me a list.....
 
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Went to a cricketer's lunch today with Geoff Miller and Graham Gooch, obviously this took up a fair bit of their time (neither has read the book).

Miller said that as he was a selector he wasn't close to the squad but the suggestion that there'd been any type of bullying was never something that even crossed the mind of the selectors.

First thing that Gooch said was:
"I called KP earlier this week and spoke to him, which made a nice change because he never spoke to me in the nets. I'm speaking in Manchester, people are going to ask about the situation, do you mind if I talk about it and he didn't say anything. When I got to the hotel there was a note at reception that said 'no you can't'. Who'd have thought he could write a book but couldn't spell can't?"

Gooch said that if he lent KP £1,000 and he disappeared for 12 months he'd consider it money well spent. Said he's a terrific, game changing, box-office batsman who's been superb for England but the accusations he's made against Flower and Prior are totally inaccurate and it's an absolute nonsense to question their professionalism, integrity and dedication to the team. He was of the opinion that KP has an axe to grind and a book to sell and that's why it's as controversial as it is. His concern is the damage it's doing to the England team, in his opinion there are no winners from the whole thing. He also said that on the day KP played his 100th test match the players presented him with a memento in the dressing room and he stood up in front of the whole squad and coaching staff and said "This is the best team environment I've ever been in".

Didn't sound like he was to happy with Vaughan's input, saying if you want to get ahead in media you have to be controversial. I can't remember if it was Miller or Gooch but they said that maybe Vaughan was partially correct in saying KP had been mismanaged but when Vaughan managed KP he was a young player making his way in the game so was perhaps a different person and also there wasn't the distraction of the IPL at the time.

Didn't talk about any incidents in particular (texts, dossiers, twitter etc). Miller didn't say much about the situation, Gooch made it sound like he really didn't like KP and he is the one in the wrong.

Cheers for that, absolutely spot on by Gooch

And I am delighted he has picked up on Vaughan, he doesn't half talk some shite, and the bit about him managing him so well is spot on, he was a young lad who would not of questioned authority at the time. How on earth can he say he would be easy to manage? If he was in a dressing room for him for 10 years then I very much he would be that lenient.

It annoys me because Vaughan's voice carries so much weight as he was successful and a good captain, good cricketer but as a pundit he is horrific, and is constantly changing his mind.

For example he said Cook should definitely be sacked as test captain and replaced by morgan, absolutely ridiculous. imagine if they had done that

A list of what exactly?

well the other postser has provided reasons why he thinks the ECB are doing a good job, and he has made some valid points

all you say is "they are horrific" without explaining why

Were you not a fan in the 90s? ECB are miles ahead of where they were then, and England are constantly producing good cricketers,

All you have to do is lose a couple of series and suddenly the whole game is in trouble. It is football fan mentality.

About 15 months ago people were saying how bad Australian cricket was, what a low it was at when they were hammered in the champions trophy, sacking their coach a few weeks before the ashes. Suddenly Mitchell Johnson rediscovers his action and speed and everything is OK again.
 
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Cheers for that, absolutely spot on by Gooch

And I am delighted he has picked up on Vaughan, he doesn't half talk some shite, and the bit about him managing him so well is spot on, he was a young lad who would not of questioned authority at the time. How on earth can he say he would be easy to manage? If he was in a dressing room for him for 10 years then I very much he would be that lenient.

It annoys me because Vaughan's voice carries so much weight as he was successful and a good captain, good cricketer but as a pundit he is horrific, and is constantly changing his mind.

For example he said Cook should definitely be sacked as test captain and replaced by morgan, absolutely ridiculous. imagine if they had done that



well the other postser has provided reasons why he thinks the ECB are doing a good job, and he has made some valid points

all you say is "they are horrific" without explaining why

Were you not a fan in the 90s? ECB are miles ahead of where they were then, and England are constantly producing good cricketers,

All you have to do is lose a couple of series and suddenly the whole game is in trouble. It is football fan mentality.

About 15 months ago people were saying how bad Australian cricket was, what a low it was at when they were hammered in the champions trophy, sacking their coach a few weeks before the ashes. Suddenly Mitchell Johnson rediscovers his action and speed and everything is OK again.

The ECB

1 - Ticket prices are disgusting as they charge that much to host test matches.
2 - County Cricket scheduling. Approx 50% of county games in April & September, absolutely stupid.
3 - Their PR is a disaster, a view shared by a lot of people
4 - They lack proper cricket people. When I mean proper cricket I don't mean clowns like Downton who nobody has heard of who are out of date and not in touch with the real world. They got rid of a proper English cricketer in Gooch not so long ago which I found sad.
5 - They are obsessed with T20
6 - Only this year have we gone back to 50 over one day cricket at county level.
7 - Where is the incentive for county players to improve themselves to try and get in the summer test squads when we don't play county cricket in the summer? (50% of county games this season in April and September)
8 - tedious things like "resting" Ben Stokes in the last round of county games, what's that all about?
 
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