KP Tweet

[mackembhoy]

You seem to think that the entire public is on KP's side. Rightly or wrongly I don't think they are, and I am not sure why you presume that they are either.

It's about half and half.

But thats irrelavent, as the ECB have been a joke for a while in many areas, need brought down a peg or two.

 

[smoker]

Ok @smoker you've clearly got issues with me disagreeing with him being Englands greatest ever batsman because he's the highest run scorer in all formats. I think thats a misleading record because he has played so much more than the other English greats in ODI's and T20's due to how crickets changed thats all. I totally agree he has been an excellent batsman for England. He might be Englands greatest (not for me) but it wont be because he was leading run scorer in all formats.

I have never said he didn't have cricketing brain and I think at his peak he had a clear idea of what he was trying to do to each bowler other than SLA's.

I do agree with you he was an egotistical berk and I also think he is an egotisitical berk who’s ageing, has dodgy knees and diminishing powers who pretty much since the end of the summer in 2012 I would've been happy to see the back of.

Nope, I disagree that it's a 'shit record' and purely down to the number of games he has played.

Graeme Gooch, commonly regarded as one of England's greatest ever batsmen, averaged less than Pietersen and took twenty years to score what KP scored in ten.

Wally Hammond is probably the greatest England batsman of all time, followed closely by Jack Hobbs, Denis Compton and WG Grace.

CollingwoodFTM is the nugget who thinks KP does not have a cricketing brain.

You seem to think that the entire public is on KP's side. Rightly or wrongly I don't think they are, and I am not sure why you presume that they are either.

I think the majority of people are on 'nobody's side'.

 

[Steak Pie]

It's not right.

tbh, I've heard nothing that I wouldn't expect to see anywhere except. I'm sure players form little groups in every dressing room, when those groups they become cliques it becomes counter-productive and the 'leadership' needs to get a grip. Strauss didn't apparently because he was on the way out and Cook hasn't and flower didn't.

As for the 'tweets'. I see nothing wrong with tweeting to people/friends in the opposition just as I see nothing wrong that in the old days players would meet up after a match and have a drink and have a natter. I would see something wrong if KP passed on tactical plans, he says he didn't and it must be hard to do that in 140 characters anyway.

This dossier interests me too. It's the kind of thing you get asked to do sometimes when you want to get rid of someone but you don't have a solid reason.

Manager: I want to get rid of X
Higher Manager: Why, is he playing badly?
Manager: Not really.
Higher Manager: Does he refuse to do his job?
Manager: Not really.
Higher Manager: Then why?
Manager: Well, he's a bad influence.
Higher Manager: In what way?
Manager: Well, he looks out of the window.
Higher Manager: But he is one of our better players though, right?
Manager: Yea, but....
Higher Manager: I tell you want, you write down everything tha happens and we'll see.

To me it smacks of someone wanting to get rid but not having a good reason to do it.

It's only Pietersen saying that the dressing room is split and counter-productive. You know, the fella with a book to sell and an axe to grind. Swann, Anderson and Prior are the ones I've heard comment and they all say bollocks.

Again, he says he didn't pass anything tactical on to the Saffers. Just about everyone else says he did, but of course you can't prove it.

Why do they need a reason? That's what gets me about this leak, they don't need a reason to drop a player. Surely it would have been much better if they had said nothing. And when the inevitable whining starts from the Pietersen PR machine then simply confirm that the new coach doesn't want him in the side as Pietersen has already tried to get him sacked once, is a poisonous influence in the dressing room and is on his way out as a player anyway.

This whole episode boils down to whether you take Pietersen's book at face value, or not. I'm really surprised that anyone could believe a word the bloke says, and I'm surprised the ECB have cacked the whole thing up so badly.

It's about half and half.

But thats irrelavent, as the ECB have been a joke for a while in many areas, need brought down a peg or two.

Such as?

A stupid midweek Test this summer apart, the game is being run better than it ever has.

 

[smoker]

A stupid midweek Test this summer apart, the game is being run better than it ever has.

Doesn't say much.

Starter for ten: England playing 50% more tests than any other nation and then wondering why so many players break down with injury or stress.

 

[Steak Pie]

Doesn't say much.

Starter for ten: England playing 50% more tests than any other nation and then wondering why so many players break down with injury or stress.

It's what the public want.

 

[Bri]

Why do they need a reason? That's what gets me about this leak, they don't need a reason to drop a player..

Yea, of course they do. If they don't give one the press and fans will speculate and if nothing much comes out apart from 'he looked at me in a funny way' then folk won't be happy, which is the situation we're in right now.

On the other hand, if his record is poor then that's reason enough but his record was not the worst in fact it was the best.

Remember whatever happened with the text is irrelevant because that had been looked into and he had been invited back into the side. As reason for excluding him, that had to be something that happened after that. They said 'cricketing reasons', we're still waiting to hear what those were.

 

[Cee Jay]

Yea, of course they do. If they don't give one the press and fans will speculate and if nothing much comes out apart from 'he looked at me in a funny way' then folk won't be happy, which is the situation we're in right now.

On the other hand, if his record is poor then that's reason enough but his record was not the worst in fact it was the best.

Remember whatever happened with the text is irrelevant because that had been looked into and he had been invited back into the side. As reason for excluding him, that had to be something that happened after that. They said 'cricketing reasons', we're still waiting to hear what those were.

Would you not think after being integrated/welcomed back he would have got his head down and given no one any reason to doubt his commitment to the team...
Not kp. ..fuck that while you have cretins like piers Morgan making lots of noise on his behalf

 

[Steak Pie]

Yea, of course they do. If they don't give one the press and fans will speculate and if nothing much comes out apart from 'he looked at me in a funny way' then folk won't be happy, which is the situation we're in right now.

On the other hand, if his record is poor then that's reason enough but his record was not the worst in fact it was the best.

Remember whatever happened with the text is irrelevant because that had been looked into and he had been invited back into the side. As reason for excluding him, that had to be something that happened after that. They said 'cricketing reasons', we're still waiting to hear what those were.

They tried to keep schtum and just put it down to 'cricketing reasons', then Pietersen decides to go public slagging everyone off and they make the mistake of rising to it. That's why we are where we are. I'd love to know where this leak came from, I reckon there's more to it.

His record wasn't that poor (it was by his standards, but his standards are better than most), but he's 34 and on his way out.

The Saffers incident is not irrelevant, it's alleged he utterly betrayed his captain. Most of the team he played with then are still there and it's widely reported that the minute he was allowed back then the dressing room was dead, it's easy enough to trace all of this back to that point.

Read the chapter on Matt Prior. Honestly, if my 11 year old nephew had written it I would be embarrassed, never mind a grown man.

 

[Fats]

Would you not think after being integrated/welcomed back he would have got his head down and given no one any reason to doubt his commitment to the team...
Not kp. ..fuck that while you have cretins like piers Morgan making lots of noise on his behalf

Pierced Organ has nothing to do with it, no matter how odious the man is.

KP is a pratt. Think that's the only thing virtually everyone can agree on. But as has been mentioned umpteen times the ECB sacking him for "cricketing" reasons was just plain wrong. If they'd said at the outset that the dismissal was a culmination of years of off-field problems then the vast majority of the shit that has hit the fan since would never have been flung.

 

[smoker]

It's what the public want.

No it isn't. It's what generates the most money for the ECB.

As a member of the public, I would have been happy with a five test series against India, and no SL series.

Southampton test starting on a Sunday....!

 

[Fats]

They tried to keep schtum and just put it down to 'cricketing reasons', then Pietersen decides to go public slagging everyone off and they make the mistake of rising to it. That's why we are where we are. I'd love to know where this leak came from, I reckon there's more to it.

His record wasn't that poor (it was by his standards, but his standards are better than most), but he's 34 and on his way out.

The Saffers incident is not irrelevant, it's alleged he utterly betrayed his captain. Most of the team he played with then are still there and it's widely reported that the minute he was allowed back then the dressing room was dead, it's easy enough to trace all of this back to that point.

Read the chapter on Matt Prior. Honestly, if my 11 year old nephew had written it I would be embarrassed, never mind a grown man.

The ECB would have been in a position to take the high ground if:

1/ They had been honest form the outset; and
2/ Downton hadn't shouted his mouth off back in March

 

[Steak Pie]

No it isn't. It's what generates the most money for the ECB.

As a member of the public, I would have been happy with a five test series against India, and no SL series.

Southampton test starting on a Sunday....!

Attendances say otherwise. I agree that trying to shoehorn 5 Tests into 6 weeks was a mistake, but Southampton apart the crowds were massive. The public love Test Match cricket.

We are obliged to play all of the Test nations in the cycle.

 

[Cee Jay]

Pierced Organ has nothing to do with it, no matter how odious the man is.

KP is a pratt. Think that's the only thing virtually everyone can agree on. But as has been mentioned umpteen times the ECB sacking him for "cricketing" reasons was just plain wrong. If they'd said at the outset that the dismissal was a culmination of years of off-field problems then the vast majority of the shit that has hit the fan since would never have been flung.

And I'm far from an ecb fan...They quite rightly should have said after the texting that he is a disloyal and disingenuous selfish fucker and tara. .

As far as I'm concerned handled badly but best result , ie back of kp

And I think you can judge someone by the company he keeps. .so Morgan and his best man gough sum show the type of character he is.

 

[smoker]

They tried to keep schtum and just put it down to 'cricketing reasons', then Pietersen decides to go public

Stopped reading there. Downton went public first: ‘disinterested’ and ‘distracted’.

 

[Steak Pie]

The ECB would have been in a position to take the high ground if:

1/ They had been honest form the outset; and
2/ Downton hadn't shouted his mouth off back in March

There's no high ground to be had here man, it's a proper shitfest.

Downton answered a couple of questions in that interview and wants a slap for it, moronic thing to do. The ECB swiftly apologised but I suppose the damage was done.

 

[smoker]

Attendances say otherwise. I agree that trying to shoehorn 5 Tests into 6 weeks was a mistake, but Southampton apart the crowds were massive. The public love Test Match cricket.

We are obliged to play all of the Test nations in the cycle.

Attendances on day one of Southampton were poor.

In your considered opinion, is the English public appetite for test cricket any greater than the Australian?

Lest we forget....ten ODIs and two T20's.

I can't decide whether you are Giles Clarke or Harry Angstrom in disguise.

 

[johnson]

I don't get the clamour for KP to be in the side though, KP is 34, 2 dodgy knees, average slowly getting lower and bit of a trouble maker

I agree the ECB handed it really poorly but if they want to move on with younger players like Ali, root, ballance, buttler and stokes, then why is it such a big deal.

 

[Steak Pie]

Attendances on day one of Southampton were poor.

In your considered opinion, is the English public appetite for test cricket any greater than the Australian?

Lest we forget....ten ODIs and two T20's.

I can't decide whether you are Giles Clarke or Harry Angstrom in disguise.

Seems that way, although I don't know what Ozzy attendances are like when the smaller nations are in town. I'm in Australia in February, I'll ask them.

I can't work out whether you are Piers Morgan or Essex Boy in disguise. Easy game this......

 

[Bri]

I don't get the clamour for KP to be in the side though, KP is 34, 2 dodgy knees, average slowly getting lower and bit of a trouble maker

I agree the ECB handed it really poorly but if they want to move on with younger players like Ali, root, ballance, buttler and stokes, then why is it such a big deal.

I For one don't want KP in the side. The new guys have done well, maybe some haven't shown enough for us to have confidence in them against the best (Ali, Woakes, Jordan) but I don't see a spot for KP at present, maybe if he wants to bowl he can challenge Moeen Ali?

But, I do think there is an issue with England, Cook hasn't shown himself to be a good leader but perhaps he's learning (I don't believe that leaders are born not made) but it's up to Cook to sort out any issues that may still exist in the dressing room.

 

[johnson]

I For one don't want KP in the side. The new guys have done well, maybe some haven't shown enough for us to have confidence in them against the best (Ali, Woakes, Jordan) but I don't see a spot for KP at present, maybe if he wants to bowl he can challenge Moeen Ali?

But, I do think there is an issue with England, Cook hasn't shown himself to be a good leader but perhaps he's learning (I don't believe that leaders are born not made) but it's up to Cook to sort out any issues that may still exist in the dressing room.

Yep can't disagree with any of that. I do agree that you need different characters in the dressing room, Nasser is my favourite cricketer and he embraced all the "difficult" characters like Tufnell, Caddick etc. But from what I have read it seems like the dressing room was fine apart from one man, and they did welcome him for 10 years. I just think this was one step to far to try and repair.