Knee jerkers all ower!


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That's right, we don't win every game. No team does.

We're a league one side with no divine right to win anything. You can moan about that as much as you want but it doesn't help. Get behind the lads and support them instead of pissing your pants every time we lose.
They threw the towel in yesterday, including the manager. I will never ever get behind that.
What does 'not acceptable' actually mean? If fans don't accept that performance, what changes?
Standards set to play for Sunderland football club. Deciding to give up because the opposition are battering you isn’t acceptable. Do you want that at our football club?
 
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I’ve been called a ‘happy clapper’ on a few occasions because of my more positive outlook on all things SAFC … BUT we have just lost 5-1.

We are aiming to be promoted out of this division, we have invested heavily towards that aim. We should never, ever be turned over like that in the third division.

Whilst some posters on here are going way over the top, I don’t understand how anyone can be called a knee-jerker after that result. That’s not just another bad day at the office. That’s an appalling performance and result. Questions do need to be asked. Something is fundamentally wrong here. This shouldn’t happen.
Have we? We have done a lot of positive business in the transfer market. I think we can all agree on that. But yet I still can't help feel we haven't properly addressed a couple of key issues in the team for me. Namely pace and a bit of a presence in centre mid (and we're too reliant on Stewart up front imo - wed be goosed if he gets injured).
 
Choosing the wrong manager hasn't worked for us
This!
People who who think that it’s changing managers too often that is holding us back really are the thickest bunch. It’s exasperating trying to get them to understand that the reason we keep sacking managers is because we’re recruiting the wrong managers!
If we recruit the right manager, he’ll succeed and we won’t have to sack him.

Maybe we should try to get the point across through the medium of dance, mime, or perhaps crayon diagrams.
Actually, there’s no point. They’re hardwired to use specious reasoning and nothing‘s ever going to get through.
 
They threw the towel in yesterday, including the manager. I will never ever get behind that.

Standards set to play for Sunderland football club. Deciding to give up because the opposition are battering you isn’t acceptable. Do you want that at our football club?
No I don't, but moaning about it does nothing.
This!
People who who think that it’s changing managers too often that is holding us back really are the thickest bunch. It’s exasperating trying to get them to understand that the reason we keep sacking managers is because we’re recruiting the wrong managers!
If we recruit the right manager, he’ll succeed and we won’t have to sack him.

Maybe we should try to get the point across through the medium of dance, mime, or perhaps crayon diagrams.
Actually, there’s no point. They’re hardwired to use specious reasoning and nothing‘s ever going to get through.
Who is the right manager? and how long would we give them?

The last manager to be given two full seasons at Sunderland was Steve Bruce.
 
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Said that on here the other day, we need a double hard box-to-box bastard in the centre, like a modern day Vinnie Jones. We also need a similar centre half and a left back that can tackle and defend.
This.
We need a Huth character in defence.
No I don't, but moaning about it does nothing.

Who is the right manager? and how long would we give them?

The last manager to be given two full seasons at Sunderland was Steve Bruce.
One with a track record of assembling squads that won’t we outplayed and outfought in the third division with at least a promotion on his CV should‘ve been prime considerations. LJ meets neither criteria.
 
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This.
We need a Huth character in defence.

One with a track record of assembling squads that won’t we outplayed and outfought in the third division with at least a promotion on his CV should‘ve been prime considerations. LJ meets neither criteria.
Who do you suggest then?

It's all very easy to say not LJ, but that's useless unless you have a better (and more importantly a realistic) plan
 
Who do you suggest then?

It's all very easy to say not LJ, but that's useless unless you have a better (and more importantly a realistic) plan
I can’t remember who I suggested at the time, or who my preference from the ‘list’ was, tbh. I do recall thinking ‘why LJ? What credentials does he have to justify getting the job!’
Not really my job to pick a manager, though! The board are responsible for that, and we’re still in the third division.
 
Who do you suggest then?

It's all very easy to say not LJ, but that's useless unless you have a better (and more importantly a realistic) plan

"Who do you suggest" ... same argument trotted out by folks on here defending the re-signing of Danny Graham.

Before Johnson was appointed I'd hoped we would make Mark Robins an offer he couldn't refuse.
 
"Who do you suggest" ... same argument trotted out by folks on here defending the re-signing of Danny Graham.

Before Johnson was appointed I'd hoped we would make Mark Robins an offer he couldn't refuse.
And how long would you give Mark Robbins?
 
Anyone not concerned by our recent performances and yesterdays shit show, must be the type who advocate the replacing of winners medals on kids sports days.

By accepting being mediocre, that's all you'll ever be.
 
I quite like Johnson but we have been poor for a good few weeks, Gillingham, Portsmouth and now looking at they’re form even Bolton seems like we made harder work of it than it needed to be.

Saying that though, I feel like a group of our supporters made they’re mind up on Johnson within a few weeks and jump at any chance they have a dig at him but blatantly ignore the better style of football he is trying (and has done) implement.
Spot on. Concern and criticism of performances is fine. The complete overreaction on here is not. We have a large contingent who are more concerned with being right than seeing us win.
Have we? We have done a lot of positive business in the transfer market. I think we can all agree on that. But yet I still can't help feel we haven't properly addressed a couple of key issues in the team for me. Namely pace and a bit of a presence in centre mid (and we're too reliant on Stewart up front imo - wed be goosed if he gets injured).
I’ve seen a couple of posters even questioning that, which shows you how short their patience for any kind of blip is. Johnson was always going to have to win pretty much every week for some of them. His wins don’t count for them, that’s either the recruitment or him being lucky, but every defeat is his fault entirely.

I wouldn’t entertain managing this club if I was a head coach looking to go anywhere. As much as the numbers are amazing and the majority of fans are great, some are absolute poison.
 
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Spot on. Concern and criticism of performances is fine. The complete overreaction on here is not. We have a large contingent who are more concerned with being right than seeing us win.

I’ve seen a couple of posters even questioning that, which shows you how short their patience for any kind of blip is. Johnson was always going to have to win pretty much every week for some of them. His wins don’t count for them, that’s either the recruitment or him being lucky, but every defeat is his fault entirely.

I wouldn’t entertain managing this club if I was a head coach looking to go anywhere. As much as the numbers are amazing and the majority of fans are great, some are absolute poison.

I paid the tenner and tuned in yesterday hoping for a win, the same as every game I attend as a season card holder. Just because I also think LJ has some major shortcomings and ultimately won't get us promoted makes me cancer, an arsehole and poison according to some lovely fellow fans on here in the last 24 hours. Is it no longer possible to have different opinions without this type of awful abuse?
 
I paid the tenner and tuned in yesterday hoping for a win, the same as every game I attend as a season card holder. Just because I also think LJ has some major shortcomings and ultimately won't get us promoted makes me cancer, an arsehole and poison according to some lovely fellow fans on here in the last 24 hours. Is it no longer possible to have different opinions without this type of awful abuse?
Poor you.
 
It's what's wrong with the whole world mate, your opinion differs to mine so your scum, poison, cancer, an arsehole etc.
You’re desperate for him to fail.

We have had plenty of run ins about it. I didn’t see you on here praising him when we got off to a great start, but here you are with the same old rubbish as soon as you can moan again.

I called this in the summer. Some are just sitting waiting for him to fail. No willingness to hold their hands up or praise when it’s doing well, just waiting for the next defeat. That’s a poison if you ask me.
 
Spot on. Concern and criticism of performances is fine. The complete overreaction on here is not. We have a large contingent who are more concerned with being right than seeing us win.

I’ve seen a couple of posters even questioning that, which shows you how short their patience for any kind of blip is. Johnson was always going to have to win pretty much every week for some of them. His wins don’t count for them, that’s either the recruitment or him being lucky, but every defeat is his fault entirely.

I wouldn’t entertain managing this club if I was a head coach looking to go anywhere. As much as the numbers are amazing and the majority of fans are great, some are absolute poison.
Johnson was always going to be the target when things started turning a bit sour. Dont agree with it personally. Mentioned on another post, but despite our positive business I think we're still vulnerable with the personnel we have. Either way we need to toughen up and quick.
 
You’re desperate for him to fail.

We have had plenty of run ins about it. I didn’t see you on here praising him when we got off to a great start, but here you are with the same old rubbish as soon as you can moan again.

I called this in the summer. Some are just sitting waiting for him to fail. No willingness to hold their hands up or praise when it’s doing well, just waiting for the next defeat. That’s a poison if you ask me.
The only thing I'm desperate for is Sunderland to get out of this division. I'm turning up to games and supporting the team and if and when LJ gets us promoted I'll happily hold my hands up and admit I was wrong about him . You didn't think Parkinson was up to the job either, does that make you poison, of course It doesnt. Its the same with any manager some think they are the right choice others don't. I'm perfectly comfortable with that as its always the case. I think you're a reasonable enough person to see that people aren't cancer simply because they disagree over something.
 
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