KLD has a lot to think about . . .


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Well, to be honest it's when Speakman and Kyril decide its time based on more info than we have.

If they truly believe this squad should be top 2 then it is curtains for him after what I expect is a reasonable time to show he can recover it.

However if the expectation was that its a young team, top 6 is ok up to January then we get another load out and some more in then he might be ok.
You might well be right there.

It’s becoming more and more apparent to me that the club have decided promotion this season is not the absolute minimum requirement most fans would expect.

Thinking again about what Speakman said about the long term project I can see now they were almost subliminally telling us prepare for the long haul.

We’re hoping to have a decent season but this ‘project’ could take a few years even to get to step one.
 
We're trying to build a young, technically gifted team who will play football.

That's fair enough. We are in L1 though where a bit more of the rough stuff is allowed. Need a CB and CM who can be the best in the division when it comes to getting stuck in.
 
all the best clubs have DOFs..alll the successful clubs,.there is a reason Keane has never managed a successful club. Wilder has a job in a higher league whenevr he wants it..allardyce isso short term that even if the old villan took it..it wouldnt be wiseto remoce along term DOFappointment to hire him..

its second nature to mose british managers now..its only this baord that sees novelty in the arrangement..especially when they haul out a bunch of prehistric names to manage to elcub
Agree with this. We've seen the issues when you lurch from manager to manager, each wanting their own style and their own players. You end up with players on a lot of money not wanted by the next bloke who suddenly wants "his" team. Despite current results I'm glad we've got the DOF system and we shouldn't go back. We've decided how we want to play, we've decided we want a youthful side and a progression from the academy to first team. I support all of that, it's the sensible approach for a club with our academy. I can take or leave Johnson, not convinced he'll ever be able to give us the consistency you need to get promoted, but if he goes it should be another head coach who can work with the players identified and signed for the system, no more massive overhauls
 
That's fair enough. We are in L1 though where a bit more of the rough stuff is allowed. Need a CB and CM who can be the best in the division when it comes to getting stuck in.

Unfortunately though you can't have everything, so we work with what we have. Though I don't think we're necessarily too bad in that department.
 
Honestly don’t just think it’s a simple sack LJ or keep LJ. Should he choose the former I think he’d have to also get rid of KS . . . A big(ger) name manager won’t come and work with the same DoF, maybe no DoF at all. The likes of Wilder, Keane, Big Sam wouldn’t come under those circumstances. They might not come at all but this is a HUGE moment in the future few months (possibly seasons) of our club.

Over to you

KLD has absolutely nothing to think about. We're 15 games into a 46 game season and currently 5th. A few weeks ago we were top and many saying we're class etc. Can't throw toys out the pram and demand the coach gets sacked because we've had a bad run. Still a long way to go.

He and the players will turn it round provided the section of those fans, who feel they have a sense of entitlement, get off their backs and support them rather than abuse them after bad performances.
 
KLD has absolutely nothing to think about. We're 15 games into a 46 game season and currently 5th. A few weeks ago we were top and many saying we're class etc. Can't throw toys out the pram and demand the coach gets sacked because we've had a bad run. Still a long way to go.

He and the players will turn it round provided the section of those fans, who feel they have a sense of entitlement, get off their backs and support them rather than abuse them after bad performances.

What gives the confidence that he and the players will categorically turn it round? And that fan blame game nonsense is for the birds.
 
What gives the confidence that he and the players will categorically turn it round? And that fan blame game nonsense is for the birds.

Ipswich have had a shocking start but turning it around.

Blackpool were 16th at the end of January last season and finished 3rd and won the playoffs. There are probably more examples but those are the ones that come off the top of my head.

We haven't got the best squad in the league but we have one of the best hence our position. We're going to have to fight till the very end to get promotion as it's not a given we'll go up automatically so those fans who we think we should be going up as champions or top two are wrong.

There are several good teams in this league and automatic promotion will be won deservedly and it certainly isn't won at the start of November when the season finishes in May.
 
Ipswich have had a shocking start but turning it around.

Blackpool were 16th at the end of January last season and finished 3rd and won the playoffs. There are probably more examples but those are the ones that come off the top of my head.

We haven't got the best squad in the league but we have one of the best hence our position. We're going to have to fight till the very end to get promotion as it's not a given we'll go up automatically so those fans who we think we should be going up as champions or top two are wrong.

There are several good teams in this league and automatic promotion will be won deservedly and it certainly isn't won at the start of November when the season finishes in May.

Of your two examples, did there managers make a career out of winning then losing runs?

Did there Managers get called streaky at every club they’ve been it, with an almost unanimous agreement that he doesn’t know how to change it? Something Johnson actually admitted himself.

Did they already go on two losing runs, over a short period, then a third not long after which has resulted in the most embarrassing period in the clubs history?

You happy clapped Donald to the end, defended him to the hilt iirc, did you not? Maybe time to admit you’re clueless.
 
Same lame response to a slightest discussion about the fanbase yet again.

Its like yourself and others can't handle an educated discussion about the good and not so good with respect to the culture of us all.
Educated discussion? Give over man
 
Of your two examples, did there managers make a career out of winning then losing runs?

Did there Managers get called streaky at every club they’ve been it, with an almost unanimous agreement that he doesn’t know how to change it? Something Johnson actually admitted himself.

Did they already go on two losing runs, over a short period, then a third not long after which has resulted in the most embarrassing period in the clubs history?

You happy clapped Donald to the end, defended him to the hilt iirc, did you not? Maybe time to admit you’re clueless.

Every manager could be called streaky if you look at their stats ay some point.

Wouldn't say I'm clueless. However I'd say that you're one of those fans who feels a sense of entitlement.

Always sacking the coach doesn't work and we've seen it time and time and time again.
 
Of your two examples, did there managers make a career out of winning then losing runs?

Did there Managers get called streaky at every club they’ve been it, with an almost unanimous agreement that he doesn’t know how to change it? Something Johnson actually admitted himself.

Did they already go on two losing runs, over a short period, then a third not long after which has resulted in the most embarrassing period in the clubs history?

You happy clapped Donald to the end, defended him to the hilt iirc, did you not? Maybe time to admit you’re clueless.
so the ipswich manager started badly this year..ie had a bad streak..
critichley started horendously at blackpool..ie had a bad streak..
 
Of your two examples, did there managers make a career out of winning then losing runs?

Did there Managers get called streaky at every club they’ve been it, with an almost unanimous agreement that he doesn’t know how to change it? Something Johnson actually admitted himself.

Did they already go on two losing runs, over a short period, then a third not long after which has resulted in the most embarrassing period in the clubs history?

You happy clapped Donald to the end, defended him to the hilt iirc, did you not? Maybe time to admit you’re clueless.
I’m still in the “in” camp with Johnson, however the likes of Zidane, Summerbee, Auup, Fyl will defend to the end while digging at the fans. Wasting time trying to have a discussion with them.

Let’s just hope Johnson can get us back on track. Sick of the fan divisions
 
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Of your two examples, did there managers make a career out of winning then losing runs?

Did there Managers get called streaky at every club they’ve been it, with an almost unanimous agreement that he doesn’t know how to change it? Something Johnson actually admitted himself.

Did they already go on two losing runs, over a short period, then a third not long after which has resulted in the most embarrassing period in the clubs history?

You happy clapped Donald to the end, defended him to the hilt iirc, did you not? Maybe time to admit you’re clueless.
Ouch.
 
Every manager could be called streaky if you look at their stats ay some point.

Wouldn't say I'm clueless. However I'd say that you're one of those fans who feels a sense of entitlement.

Always sacking the coach doesn't work and we've seen it time and time and time again.

Nice cherry picking which points to reply to.

Hes been called streaky at every club, he’s managed at. Do our fans, Bristol fans, Oldham fans and Barnsley fans have a pact or think it’s a joke to do that?

It’s clear as day the bloke goes through streaks his record is in black and white, it’s not made up stats it’s fact.
 
Honestly don’t just think it’s a simple sack LJ or keep LJ. Should he choose the former I think he’d have to also get rid of KS . . . A big(ger) name manager won’t come and work with the same DoF, maybe no DoF at all. The likes of Wilder, Keane, Big Sam wouldn’t come under those circumstances. They might not come at all but this is a HUGE moment in the future few months (possibly seasons) of our club.

Over to you
Why would a new manager not want to work with Speakman?
 
so the ipswich manager started badly this year..ie had a bad streak..
critichley started horendously at blackpool..ie had a bad streak..

I haven’t got the time or the patience to respond to you. Your soul mission on this board is to be a wum. You aren’t a Sunderland fan, and not one person actually likes you. Night petal.
 
I’m still in the “in” camp with Johnson, however the likes of Zidane, Summerbee, Auup, Fyl will defend to the end while digging at the fans. Wasting time trying to have a discussion with them.

How many more coaches and managers do we have to sack within a few years of their appointment before you finally see that it achieves nothing and only sets us back even more?

Johnson hasn't even been in charge a year yet and he's already being hounded out despite being highly praised a few weeks ago when we were top.

He should be given the whole season to see if he can get us up and if he doesn't, then there's an argument to get rid but calling for him to be sacked when we're currently 5th after 15 games into a 46 game season is just silly.
Nice cherry picking which points to reply to.

Hes been called streaky at every club, he’s managed at. Do our fans, Bristol fans, Oldham fans and Barnsley fans have a pact or think it’s a joke to do that?

It’s clear as day the bloke goes through streaks his record is in black and white, it’s not made up stats it’s fact.

I would imagine every single manager in football goes through winning and losing streaks. It's only natural.
 
Unfortunately though you can't have everything, so we work with what we have. Though I don't think we're necessarily too bad in that department.

Agree - you can't have everything you want. We work with what we have because that's what we brought in/kept. People employed on good money decided we have what we need to get us out of Div 3.
 
How many more coaches and managers do we have to sack within a few years of their appointment before you finally see that it achieves nothing and only sets us back even more?

Johnson hasn't even been in charge a year yet and he's already being hounded out despite being highly praised a few weeks ago when we were top.

He should be given the whole season to see if he can get us up and if he doesn't, then there's an argument to get rid but calling for him to be sacked when we're currently 5th after 15 games into a 46 game season is just silly.


I would imagine every single manager in football goes through winning and losing streaks. It's only natural.

Straightforward simple question. Can you name me one other Manager who has managed multiple clubs, who has been almost unanimously called streaky by there fans? Just one, literally one.
 
johnson has a lot to think about , im a fan but this tactic of playing from the back is mental , we've stopped the counter attack ,no urgency in our play , put himself under real pressure
He doesn't know how to change things. Last season when the bad run started nothing changed at all. No plan B or C. It looks like he has decided how we will play and that is it, regardless of the opposition sussing it all out, simply has no idea.
 
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