KLD has a lot to think about . . .


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KLD CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH OUT THE OTHER CO OWENERS CONCENT HE MIGHT OWEN 53% OF THE CLUB. IF KLD WANTS TO SACK JOHNSON BUT THE OTHER OWNERS SAY NO IT'S NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT IT JOHNSON COULD BE HERE ALL SEASON
Polite request. Please don’t type in uppercase. That’s highly unreadable and can be taken out of context. Good luck in the rest of your life and on the smb.

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MorNando
 
Honestly don’t just think it’s a simple sack LJ or keep LJ. Should he choose the former I think he’d have to also get rid of KS . . . A big(ger) name manager won’t come and work with the same DoF, maybe no DoF at all. The likes of Wilder, Keane, Big Sam wouldn’t come under those circumstances. They might not come at all but this is a HUGE moment in the future few months (possibly seasons) of our club.

Over to you
I hope keane never returns.
It would be a backward move
 
There’s no way Speakman should or will go, thankfully. He’s done a decent enough job in the one window he’s had with us.

I don’t buy “no one will want to work with a DoF” or words to that effect, either. We’re a massive name still, there’s evidently a better setup under KLD now and imagine being the bloke to get Sunderland back into the Championship let alone up the top of that league.

I’d be willing to let Speakman have a go at picking a manager to work with.
DOF's are pretty common these. They haven't put managers off.
 
If you were working at the club within the stucture, would you look at coaches from Europe or another British name ?
Only need to look at premier league to see British born coaches are fizzers.
That said in over 60 years of following safc big Sam has been the best manager we have had.
LJ had a golden chance to give some hope etc yesterday but he sank further down the pot.
We have to look overseas I believe
 
KLD CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH OUT THE OTHER CO OWENERS CONCENT HE MIGHT OWEN 53% OF THE CLUB. IF KLD WANTS TO SACK JOHNSON BUT THE OTHER OWNERS SAY NO IT'S NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT IT JOHNSON COULD BE HERE ALL SEASON
Nonsense. That's not a shareholder decision. The most it would need is a vote by the board of SAFC Ltd. As KLD has a clear majority of the board members, this would be s formality, as Treuer, Levin, Davison, MLD and KLD would vote in favour, and I suspect Sartori and Jones would follow suit, just leaving Vumbaca, who may or may not be representing Donald and Methven.
 
It’ll be interesting because KLD, Speakman and Johnson seem to be a tight little unit, play head tennis together etc.
They’ve obviously got definite ideas about the philosophy and the way the club should be run and I don’t think that includes ditching managers every 5 minutes so I think they’ll hold their nerve.
The real test will come if the Ipswich game is a shocker and it really turns toxic.
 
Tricky thing is, they want to take they time and do things their way, which is understandable, history is littered with clubs that go up and are underprepared and embarrass themselves. Problem is they have come to a football club that has been in the league for a number seasons with fans desperate to get out. I am not convinced getting rid of Johnson is the answer but that doesn’t mean I am some fanboy or yes man or happy clapper. I wasn’t convinced getting rid of Ross, amongst other managers was the answer either.
 
Tricky thing is, they want to take they time and do things their way, which is understandable, history is littered with clubs that go up and are underprepared and embarrass themselves. Problem is they have come to a football club that has been in the league for a number seasons with fans desperate to get out. I am not convinced getting rid of Johnson is the answer but that doesn’t mean I am some fanboy or yes man or happy clapper. I wasn’t convinced getting rid of Ross, amongst other managers was the answer either.
Occasional bad results can be accepted, but this is not even a 'slump', it's a landslip and there's no sign of it stopping yet. We know the players are there - we've seen what they can do earlier in the season and several are off now to international squads, so ultimately this is down to the management team to sort out. But they have been unable to do so at all and you simply can't watch an unfolding disaster continue indefinitely - there has to come a time for action. KLD has an overriding duty to the club.
 
Occasional bad results can be accepted, but this is not even a 'slump', it's a landslip and there's no sign of it stopping yet. We know the players are there - we've seen what they can do earlier in the season and several are off now to international squads, so ultimately this is down to the management team to sort out. But they have been unable to do so at all and you simply can't watch an unfolding disaster continue indefinitely - there has to come a time for action. KLD has an overriding duty to the club.

I don't disagree with anything you say/type but the easiest decision is to sack someone, much harder to hold your nerve. it would seem odd to sack a manager who is on a bad run who is known for having bad runs and riding them out. bit like sacking Tony Pulis because you don't like the brand of football he plays
 
Maybe the fans who want a manager sacked after a few bad results are part of the problem?

It’s an interesting theory. Just how many bad results would you say justifies any level of scrutiny of the manager?

Say we lose at home to Ipswich - not an entirely implausible scenario based on our recent form - we could then be 8/9 points adrift the top two.

Do we leave it until we’re double figures from the automatic promotion places, 15, 20 …

Remember this is the man that oversaw an almost unbelievable disastrous run in last season so it’s not as if there’s no previous evidence to contend the notion that this is just a blip.

The club have changed direction and I get Johnson is a key figure in that, however, refusing to accept that one key appointment may have been the wrong one isn’t a failing - just wilfully ploughing on hoping it will come good, could well be.
 
I don't disagree with anything you say/type but the easiest decision is to sack someone, much harder to hold your nerve. it would seem odd to sack a manager who is on a bad run who is known for having bad runs and riding them out. bit like sacking Tony Pulis because you don't like the brand of football he plays
Aye, but how long do you wait? 6 defeats in a row? 7? 8? 9? That's surely the issue?
 
Aye, but how long do you wait? 6 defeats in a row? 7? 8? 9? That's surely the issue?

god knows but when you have appointed a manager who is know for going on these kind of runs, to sack him when he is on one seems odd. I think defeats Johnson will ultimately be like draws under Ross
 
I'm not advocating a change as Johnson needs more time, but I thought one of the points of having a head coach rather than a holistic manager was that they were more interchangeable without the likes of Speakmann having to go too and us having to rip things up and start from scratch (again)?

We're building something and it'll take a bit of time. A new owner with a plan, a young side with some good footballers, a technical/sporting director here for the long term as part of that plan, and a head coach who, if necessary, is the most interchangeable part of the setup.


Or pretty much this.

People would be far less bothered if they could see what we were trying to do and improving. The issue isn’t that the players aren’t good enough, they’ve won games. The issue is they look like they aren’t trying and have no idea how to get out of this slump.
 
People would be far less bothered if they could see what we were trying to do and improving. The issue isn’t that the players aren’t good enough, they’ve won games. The issue is they look like they aren’t trying and have no idea how to get out of this slump.

We're trying to build a young, technically gifted team who will play football.
 
Whether you’re trying to build the new Barcelona or Stoke City, passing the ball, winning headers, stopping crosses are common between the 2. We’ve done none of that lately.

Yet it was only a few weeks ago people were saying that it's the first time we've had a clear plan both off and on the pitch for several years.
 
This thing about it ‘it’ll take time’ is all well and good if you’re in the upper reaches of the championship but we need to get out of league one by hook or crook.
 
Jesus, reading this thread I’m reminded of just how many thick ***** get on here. Calling the owner a fraud and that man. :lol:
 
It’s an interesting theory. Just how many bad results would you say justifies any level of scrutiny of the manager?

Say we lose at home to Ipswich - not an entirely implausible scenario based on our recent form - we could then be 8/9 points adrift the top two.

Do we leave it until we’re double figures from the automatic promotion places, 15, 20 …

Remember this is the man that oversaw an almost unbelievable disastrous run in last season so it’s not as if there’s no previous evidence to contend the notion that this is just a blip.

The club have changed direction and I get Johnson is a key figure in that, however, refusing to accept that one key appointment may have been the wrong one isn’t a failing - just wilfully ploughing on hoping it will come good, could well be.

Well, to be honest it's when Speakman and Kyril decide its time based on more info than we have.

If they truly believe this squad should be top 2 then it is curtains for him after what I expect is a reasonable time to show he can recover it.

However if the expectation was that its a young team, top 6 is ok up to January then we get another load out and some more in then he might be ok.
 
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