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I thought Khazri was good enough in that run but not as good as either Kirchoff or Kone personally, I still thought he would do well last season though and he probably would have under Allardyce

But when you said "nowhere near as influential", it suggested he wasn't influential. I mean all three did their part and for me Khazri's input was just as important as the other two. The points above clearly evidenced this.

The lad is a good player.

Moyes hung him out to dry for some strange reason last season and even stranger for me, the majority on here sided with Moyes. I was only one of a few that actually stuck up for Khazri and questioned religiously why he wasn't playing. Sure enough, he was brought in late in the season, showed Moyes up as he was a stand out player in a poor side. Moyes was then forced to persist with him but still singled him out harshly at times in post match interviews.

The fans on here effectively turned on Khazri last season, they did all they could to defend Moyes' useless decision not to play him. Khazri should have been an ever present. Would it have changed our season? Unlikely. But, I'm sure we'd have picked up a few more points along the way.

As noted a few times on this thread, we should be doing all we possibly can to make sure we keep him this season.
 
Really? I thought he was instrumental in some of our big performances. Notably the win against Man Utd, the fightback away to Liverpool and the fantastic win to cement our position in the league against Everton. Not to mention his wonder goal against Chelsea.
Aye, he was good in those games (not so much Liverpool) but what about against Norwich, Bournemouth, West Ham, Palace, Southampton, West Brom and Stoke....
 
But when you said "nowhere near as influential", it suggested he wasn't influential. I mean all three did their part and for me Khazri's input was just as important as the other two. The points above clearly evidenced this.

The lad is a good player.

Moyes hung him out to dry for some strange reason last season and even stranger for me, the majority on here sided with Moyes. I was only one of a few that actually stuck up for Khazri and questioned religiously why he wasn't playing. Sure enough, he was brought in late in the season, showed Moyes up as he was a stand out player in a poor side. Moyes was then forced to persist with him but still singled him out harshly at times in post match interviews.

The fans on here effectively turned on Khazri last season, they did all they could to defend Moyes' useless decision not to play him. Khazri should have been an ever present. Would it have changed our season? Unlikely. But, I'm sure we'd have picked up a few more points along the way.

As noted a few times on this thread, we should be doing all we possibly can to make sure we keep him this season.

I said that because I think that, Kone and Kirchoff improved us much more than Khazri did in my opinion. They both made us much more solid and improved the balance of the side, players like Catts and M'Vila improved once the defence looked more solid and they had Kirchoff behind them

Khazri returned last pre-season unfit and out of shape, most managers would of had him in the side. As the season went on I thought he was treat harshly by the manager and should of been involved much more than he was but I agreed with Moyes at the start of the season as playing Khazri would of sent out the wrong message

I don't think we should be doing everything we should to keep him either, if he knuckles down and stays then fair enough but if we get a decent bid for him I'd sell him straight away. He has already indicated he doesn't want to play in the Championship and even alluded to him having an agreement with Moyes that he would be sold
 
If Grayson rates Khazri and no acceptable offer comes in for him then I can see the club keeping him until January at least. Depending on our league position in January might be more of a factor in whether he goes for a small fee.
There is no incentive for the club sell him for a big loss at the moment, he is probably on about 30k a week after his wage reduction, so we could afford to keep him if we got rid of Lens Kone and another probably.
I'm not sure about the maths but with Lescott, Pinear,Anichebe,Larson,Januzji,Defoe,Buckley,Pickford,Kirchoff and Borini off the wage bill that reduces the wage bill significantly as I believe none of these players would have been on less than 20k a week.
Then if we factor in the 40% wage reduction on high earners like Cattermole, Mannone,Kone, Lens ,Khazri,Gibson ,Papy and Ovideo then that puts in an even better position. That said we will probably be looking to move three or four of these on. So assuming Kone and Lens leave I would say our most desirable players after that would be Khazri , Cattermole and Mannone (in that order) and that's the most concerning part for me in regards to hanging on to Khazri.
 
Aye, he was good in those games (not so much Liverpool) but what about against Norwich, Bournemouth, West Ham, Palace, Southampton, West Brom and Stoke....

I can't remember, are you suggesting he was shit in all of them and both Kone and Kirchhoff were great??

Khazri, along with Defoe and Johnson was one of the three main reasons we managed to draw against Liverpool that day, he assist for Defoe was absolute class.
 
I said that because I think that, Kone and Kirchoff improved us much more than Khazri did in my opinion. They both made us much more solid and improved the balance of the side, players like Catts and M'Vila improved once the defence looked more solid and they had Kirchoff behind them

Khazri returned last pre-season unfit and out of shape, most managers would of had him in the side. As the season went on I thought he was treat harshly by the manager and should of been involved much more than he was but I agreed with Moyes at the start of the season as playing Khazri would of sent out the wrong message

I don't think we should be doing everything we should to keep him either, if he knuckles down and stays then fair enough but if we get a decent bid for him I'd sell him straight away. He has already indicated he doesn't want to play in the Championship and even alluded to him having an agreement with Moyes that he would be sold

He may have slightly been out of shape, he wasn't unfit however as we all saw him with our own eyes playing in pre-season. Not once did he look unfit and I watched pretty much every pre-season game, he was running all over the place, harassing etc. something else has gone on somewhere behind the scenes and Moyes has used his size as an excuse. The fans lapped it up and were happy to back Moyes, even though the bloke was absolutely clueless.

It would be more difficult to replace someone like Khazri, we'd end up with a worse player as currently he is one of our best.
 
He may have slightly been out of shape, he wasn't unfit however as we all saw him with our own eyes playing in pre-season. Not once did he look unfit and I watched pretty much every pre-season game, he was running all over the place, harassing etc. something else has gone on somewhere behind the scenes and Moyes has used his size as an excuse.

He looked unfit as fuck early season to me like and he was noticeably overweight, even though that did get exaggerated on here. I think Moyes was right to keep him out the team at the start of the season but was very much wrong to do it for pretty much the whole season

You rate Khazri more than I do, nothing wrong with that and I'm not saying either one of us is 100% right but we aren't going to agree here mate
 
What absolute horseshit. Have a f***ing word with yourself.

This is the bloke who resides in a country colonised by Europeans and is calling the team, he claims to support's fanbase racist.
Also, I forget the game, towards the end of last season but the Protestant, white, British (despite being ex Celtic) David Moyes was being booed and the Muslim Khazri was cheered onto the pitch.
 
I can't remember, are you suggesting he was shit in all of them and both Kone and Kirchhoff were great??

Khazri, along with Defoe and Johnson was one of the three main reasons we managed to draw against Liverpool that day, he assist for Defoe was absolute class.
Not shit, poor in some and no more than average in others. I thought Kirchhoff was excellent in all but Stoke but unfortunately only for 55 minutes in each. Kone I can't remember having a bad game in that run.

Just my opinion but I think people are being a bit revisionist making out Khazri was class under Allardyce when for me he had more average to poor games than good. I still think his overall contribution and impact was good though.

With the Liverpool game, his contribution to the Defoe goal was class but he was anonymous for the rest of the game. Was a really poor team performance mind, especially after how good we were just three days or so before.
 
He looked unfit as fuck early season to me like and he was noticeably overweight, even though that did get exaggerated on here. I think Moyes was right to keep him out the team at the start of the season but was very much wrong to do it for pretty much the whole season

You rate Khazri more than I do, nothing wrong with that and I'm not saying either one of us is 100% right but we aren't going to agree here mate

When? He looked fine in pre-season.
 
He'll be gone by TDD, he is probably dinnertime we can cash in for a couple of players.
 
Not shit, poor in some and no more than average in others. I thought Kirchhoff was excellent in all but Stoke but unfortunately only for 55 minutes in each. Kone I can't remember having a bad game in that run.

Just my opinion but I think people are being a bit revisionist making out Khazri was class under Allardyce when for me he had more average to poor games than good. I still think his overall contribution and impact was good though.

I think we're quick to put players down. You're right, in the same vain we may sensationalise performances but why can't we just accept when a player is a good player and improves our side when he's in it? It's almost as if some want Khazri to fail for some peculiar reason.

He'll be gone by TDD, he is probably dinnertime we can cash in for a couple of players.

Daft though. We signed him for £9m, there's no chance we will recoup that for him presently. With that in mind, we'd be better off keeping him as we'd struggle to replace him with a better player without spending a fair whack.
 
I suppose the other negative against khazri for many on here is that he isnt a white anglo saxon protestant so that when things go awry the lack of these traits can count against him.
Fact is he is talented player tainted by his association with debacle dave.
Now the usual attack dogs are moving in.


Well said
The only person who raises this racism argument over and over again is you. You're off your head.
 
If Grayson rates Khazri and no acceptable offer comes in for him then I can see the club keeping him until January at least. Depending on our league position in January might be more of a factor in whether he goes for a small fee.
There is no incentive for the club sell him for a big loss at the moment, he is probably on about 30k a week after his wage reduction, so we could afford to keep him if we got rid of Lens Kone and another probably.
I'm not sure about the maths but with Lescott, Pinear,Anichebe,Larson,Januzji,Defoe,Buckley,Pickford,Kirchoff and Borini off the wage bill that reduces the wage bill significantly as I believe none of these players would have been on less than 20k a week.
Then if we factor in the 40% wage reduction on high earners like Cattermole, Mannone,Kone, Lens ,Khazri,Gibson ,Papy and Ovideo then that puts in an even better position. That said we will probably be looking to move three or four of these on. So assuming Kone and Lens leave I would say our most desirable players after that would be Khazri , Cattermole and Mannone (in that order) and that's the most concerning part for me in regards to hanging on to Khazri.
I think it could be more a case of 'if Khazri rates Grayson'.
If Grayson can convince him to want to stay here beyond the close of this window and to change his mind about leaving then he deserves massive credit and it bodes well for the future in my opinion.
 
I think we're quick to put players down. You're right, in the same vain we may sensationalise performances but why can't we just accept when a player is a good player and improves our side when he's in it? It's almost as if some want Khazri to fail for some peculiar reason.

I think he will be good in the Championship if he is motivated and his attitude is right, he has already indicated that he doesn't want to play at this level though. He is also one of the few players we have who we can sell for what should be a decent amount at this level. I would sell Lens, Kone, Oviedo and Djilobodji before Khazri BUT if a decent bid comes in for him I think we will sell and will be right to do so
 
I suppose the other negative against khazri for many on here is that he isnt a white anglo saxon protestant so that when things go awry the lack of these traits can count against him.
Fact is he is talented player tainted by his association with debacle dave.
Now the usual attack dogs are moving in.

At least he's straight though, eh Des?
 
I think he will be good in the Championship if he is motivated and his attitude is right, he has already indicated that he doesn't want to play at this level though. He is also one of the few players we have who we can sell for what should be a decent amount at this level. I would sell Lens, Kone, Oviedo and Djilobodji before Khazri BUT if a decent bid comes in for him I think we will sell and will be right to do so

If he does leave, I just hope it's not on loan. I'm not surprised he doesn't want to play in the championship, he signed to play in the premier league. That's not to say that he won't honour his contract and help us win promotion this season.
 
There has to be allowance for perceived lazy players but match winners like Khazri and Lens.

Having a team of work horses who create nothing and can't score will get us nowhere.
 
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