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Keane and Neville

Discussion in 'Pure Football' started by Cheesy Feet, Apr 24, 2019.

  1. palm 1

    palm 1 Winger

    Keane was a world class footballer and is a very entertaining pundit but as a manager and coach he has been an abject failure.
    Reading some of the posts on here I had to keep checking who we were talking about .
     
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  2. An abject failure by achieving promotion in his first season and survival in his second? He basically met and exceeded every objective he'll have been given at this club.

    Ipswich didn't go great, but it was by no means a disaster.
     
  3. Chop Sauce

    Chop Sauce Midfield

    You are as thick as pigshit
     
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  4. safctommie

    safctommie Midfield

    You his agent ?
     
  5. rocky

    rocky Striker

    No. Are you?
     
  6. chriswallace85

    chriswallace85 Striker

    It was only a failure in that he couldn't replicate what he did here.
     
  7. What a bastard, got us promoted but could only manage 6 points fewer than McCarthy! I guess the promotion doesn't count then? We'll have to agree to disagree because I think his contribution to getting our club's pride and self-respect back was enormous, regardless of the points totals or the way it ended.
     
  8. Kingdom Bhoy

    Kingdom Bhoy Striker

    I must have dreamt him taking over when we were bottom of the championship then taking us up as champions followed by keeping us up in the PL!
     
  9. Chop Sauce

    Chop Sauce Midfield

    And lost the first 4 or 5 games under Quinn.
     
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  10. naughtynose

    naughtynose Striker

    Doubt it mate, he asked you first.
     
  11. Kingdom Bhoy

    Kingdom Bhoy Striker

    Exactly though Quinny won the Baggies game.
     
  12. I loved following Sunderland when he was manager, what more is there to be said?
    The total opposite of the majority of seasons since.
     
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  13. West_Winger

    West_Winger Winger

    Fine but don’t make out like his record here was anything special when it wasn’t.
     
  14. rocky

    rocky Striker

    Anything but that for us.
     
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  15. Plank

    Plank Striker

  16. West_Winger

    West_Winger Winger

    Had a worse win percentage in the Premier League than MON, Bruce, Poyet, and only 4% better than Di Canio.
     
  17. rocky

    rocky Striker

    And inherited the club in a far worse situation than any of those. Which ever way you look at to win the league and keep us up after, what was then, we were relegated as the worst side to play in the Premier League isn't abject failure.
     
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  18. Even by this boards standards that's a f***ing ridiculous comment. Was the period between January and May 2007 before you were born?
     
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  19. North Yorks Mackem

    North Yorks Mackem Central Defender

    Tbf he did take over a Championship team who had lost their first four matches of the season after having smashed the lowest ever points total in the premier league. That club then won the championship in his first season.

    He left the club as a team capable of surviving in the premier league. To describe that as abject failure is a lot of things, but mainly just wrong.
     
  20. Always thought the criticism of his spending was harsh. Yes, a lot of the players he bought were poor, but we were at our lowest point in 20 years. We had to pay over the odds to attract players otherwise we'd have went down again and another relegation would have finished a lot of fans off.

    We got great value out of the players he bought in the Championship, they were instrumental in us going up. And the likes of Richardson, Bardsley and Steed stayed for years and were great servants.

    Gordon was a good keeper for us until a freak injury 3 managers later finished him off - an injury that our medical team couldn't even detect but kept him out of the game for nearly 3 years.

    We turned down a £20m for Jones only a few weeks after he left yet the £8m we eventually got for him counts towards Bruce's much celebrated net spend despite his value plummetting under him.

    Even the duds like Chopra, Diouf and Chimbonda left shortly after Keane for minimal loss, and whilst he definitely overpaid for Ferdinand and McCartney, Ferdinand was a decent defender who was frozen out by Bruce and McCartney looked a good signing at the time but suffered a bad injury and basically played without any nerves in his left foot afterwards. Not sure how you can legislate for that.

    Not saying he was great cos he wasn't, he wasted a lot on shit. But I think people look at how much was spent and ignore the context around it.
     

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