Judgement day for our model


You can't question the owner, the model or the philosophy.

You can re write history about previous owners etc, but you the model and path we are on is the only way to go.

Amd before anyone jumps up and down, I'm just enjoying the ride where ever it takes us
 
You can't question the owner, the model or the philosophy.

You can re write history about previous owners etc, but you the model and path we are on is the only way to go.

Amd before anyone jumps up and down, I'm just enjoying the ride where ever it takes us
I think you can tbh. I think in general it's a good model. Get a good recruitment team, sign good young players, sell them for profit, get better young players and eventually make money whilst going up. It makes sense. I wouldn't want a manager to get full reign instead. But ultimately we do have to go up. If Clarke joins Stewart and amad (who I know wasn't ours) in leaving the club then the model needs to involve progressing. Either buying someone ready to contribute, or having someone already here ready to step up.

That's my concern, because no Amad or Stewart replacement has looked remotely close to doing that and trying to replace Clarke on top of that will be a huge ask. At some point the model needs to lead to a top 2 championship side, and I'm not seeing it right now. Far too early to panic mind, but I agree that the next coach needs to be a success
 
I feel this next appointment is crucial for their model .
Successful then happy days
Unsuccessful then major questions will be asked from a lot of our fanbase to regarding the direction of this model they are adopting
What would successful look like? Because we're not getting promoted with the way the model is currently.
 
I think you can tbh. I think in general it's a good model. Get a good recruitment team, sign good young players, sell them for profit, get better young players and eventually make money whilst going up. It makes sense. I wouldn't want a manager to get full reign instead. But ultimately we do have to go up. If Clarke joins Stewart and amad (who I know wasn't ours) in leaving the club then the model needs to involve progressing. Either buying someone ready to contribute, or having someone already here ready to step up.

That's my concern, because no Amad or Stewart replacement has looked remotely close to doing that and trying to replace Clarke on top of that will be a huge ask. At some point the model needs to lead to a top 2 championship side, and I'm not seeing it right now. Far too early to panic mind, but I agree that the next coach needs to be a success
Great Post mate and sums it up for me.

It's the blind defending of every decision that gets me.

Like I said, just enjoy the ride
 
You can't question the owner, the model or the philosophy.

You can re write history about previous owners etc, but you the model and path we are on is the only way to go.

Amd before anyone jumps up and down, I'm just enjoying the ride where ever it takes us
You certainly can question the owner, model and philosophy if it's not working.
 
Does it not depend on what person believes is improvement/ success though?

Could be very different to what the Owner etc believe is improvement/ success
Even Brentford who are cited as having this kind of model, never took it to the extreme of not paying fees for experienced players over 25. It's short sighted and too inflexible for the overall squad to progress, and hopefully get promoted
 
Even Brentford who are cited as having this kind of model, never took it to the extreme of not paying fees for experienced players over 25. It's short sighted and too inflexible for the overall squad to progress, and hopefully get promoted
It's a curious dilemma isn't it?

So much written on here about the model, the plans, the board being hard nosed business people, unheard of coaches being mentioned as options for us.

Yet to question it often results in total defence of the model
 
I think you can tbh. I think in general it's a good model. Get a good recruitment team, sign good young players, sell them for profit, get better young players and eventually make money whilst going up. It makes sense. I wouldn't want a manager to get full reign instead. But ultimately we do have to go up. If Clarke joins Stewart and amad (who I know wasn't ours) in leaving the club then the model needs to involve progressing. Either buying someone ready to contribute, or having someone already here ready to step up.

That's my concern, because no Amad or Stewart replacement has looked remotely close to doing that and trying to replace Clarke on top of that will be a huge ask. At some point the model needs to lead to a top 2 championship side, and I'm not seeing it right now. Far too early to panic mind, but I agree that the next coach needs to be a success
That is very well expressed. There has to be some flexibility to allow us to adequately replace the players we lose on the way and simply to recruit players who are good enough.
There’s no use criticising the model because it is inviolable and pretty much is Speakman. But right now I think we could have Pep Guardiola in charge and struggle, with this squad.
 
Even Brentford who are cited as having this kind of model, never took it to the extreme of not paying fees for experienced players over 25. It's short sighted and too inflexible for the overall squad to progress, and hopefully get promoted
Of course it is too short sighted to work as it is now. The way I think of it is if we had the best U20 or U21+in the country we’d still get hammered time and time again in the Premiership if not the Championship. But that’s the model to the extreme.
 
I would not agree. Since 2021, under the model we have
Got out of league one,
Got in the play offs in the Championship
Sold a player for 10m
Developed a playing squad worth circa 100m
Gained many plaudits for our style of play
Enticed record average home attendances
Academy has progressed

This tells me the model is working especially in light of KLD saying it was a 5 year plan to get to the Prem

This
 
I think you're right, but equally this can't be the apex of our progress, so I think the OP is right in that we need to see the next appointment push us further forward. We're Safc, aiming for the top 2 of the championship should be an absolute minimum requirement tbh. That can be true whilst still acknowledging the good job the ownership has done thus far. Play offs last year, mowbray sacked when we're drifting this. I expect the next head coach to continue the progression either this season or next, and that shouldn't be controversial for our support

I would not disagree it is an important appointment. Equally, everyone we appoint is of equal importance. If you look at AON, not done anything since he left so I would say the club we're right in the approach they took. Similarly, TM managerial career does not point to someone who was necessarily going to be the long term answer. Only time will tell
 
I'm not sure where peoples ideas of 'Model' are coming from, are they just speculation leading to conclusion... I'm talking purely about the next manager here by the way, granted there is a clear model around player recruitment. There is nothing to suggest we are looking at a 'Young, continental, practically unproven manager' now.

Just a reminder that the managerial appointments in the reigns of the current ownership are Lee Johnson, Alex Neil followed by Tony Johnson. All of these British, age and experience increasing each time. Tounge in cheek here, but the trend suggests we are appointing Warnock next, not Will Still, or the other guy from france we've never heard of...
Some people see the model as rigid and one dimensional.
It clearly isn’t.
We've not seen a copy of the 'Model' so we don't even know what it is. Iit is only ever referred to.

When it is referred to, it looks like we have a plan, which we don't always have otherwise an appointment would already have been made at this point, i'd have thought.
 
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Back in the day, I really liked those models in the Robert Palmer video 'Addicted to Love'...... irrelevant but just saying......
 
I would not agree. Since 2021, under the model we have
Got out of league one,
Got in the play offs in the Championship
Sold a player for 10m
Developed a playing squad worth circa 100m
Gained many plaudits for our style of play
Enticed record average home attendances
Academy has progressed

This tells me the model is working especially in light of KLD saying it was a 5 year plan to get to the Prem
Edit - sold a crock for £10m
 

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