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80% success today. 2% less than Leadbitter who largely passed it well today according to most. Particularly first half.
Statistically 80% success maybe. That’s different from getting the best out of your creative players. It depends what you class as success. Success on a hard drive and success aren’t entirely the same thing.
 
Statistically 80% success maybe. That’s different from getting the best out of your creative players. It depends what you class as success. Success on a hard drive and success aren’t entirely the same thing.

Is he a creative player? Should LJ be expecting Scowen to be a creative force from defensive midfield in a team that includes McGeady, Jones, AoB?
 
Full backs who bomb on, wingers that don’t get in and strikers who don’t retain possession all have the tendency to make centre mid look stupid. We have all three of those groups.

Leadbitter judged to have passed it well today: 82% pass success (90). Scowen, including his brain fart attempts was shite, passed it shite, worst ever midfielder 80%(70)

Agendas have been set for some players by some on here. Regardless of the facts.

I’ll reiterate the system is more to blame than the individuals in CM.


Was Leadbitters distribution poor today?
Going off players who have gotten an assist in the league, 5 of our players have a passing accuracy of over 80%. Jones and Leabitter have 83%, Maguire with 82% and McGeady and Scowen have 81%. All at least midfield players and all look like good passers.

Yet McGeady creates 1.8 chances a game, Jones 1.5 and McGuire 1.19. It's then a drop to Scowen who creates 0.76 a game and Leadbitter further back on 0.57. And they've both only got one assist each, yet have made more appearances than the other three. 2 assists in 73 appearances creating 49 chances. The other three have 72 appearances, 22 assists and 106 chances. (McGeady alone getting 13 assists and 47 chances)

The moaned about Gooch had a low 72% pass accuracy, yet creates the same number of chances a game as Scowen - 0.76.

We don't have a creative central midfield. The passing suggests they're passing to each other, backwards or out wide to the creative players.
 
Is he a creative player? Should LJ be expecting Scowen to be a creative force from defensive midfield in a team that includes McGeady, Jones, AoB?
I didn’t say he was a creative player but it would help if he could get the best out of them. Win it retain it then feed the creative players. I see the win it all day long, a bit of retaining it yes but not enough of bringing out better players into the game that’s where he surrenders it.
 
Going off players who have gotten an assist in the league, 5 of our players have a passing accuracy of over 80%. Jones and Leabitter have 83%, Maguire with 82% and McGeady and Scowen have 81%. All at least midfield players and all look like good passers.

Yet McGeady creates 1.8 chances a game, Jones 1.5 and McGuire 1.19. It's then a drop to Scowen who creates 0.76 a game and Leadbitter further back on 0.57. And they've both only got one assist each, yet have made more appearances than the other three. 2 assists in 73 appearances creating 49 chances. The other three have 72 appearances, 22 assists and 106 chances. (McGeady alone getting 13 assists and 47 chances)

The moaned about Gooch had a low 72% pass accuracy, yet creates the same number of chances a game as Scowen - 0.76.

We don't have a creative central midfield. The passing suggests they're passing to each other, backwards or out wide to the creative players.

We surely can’t be expecting Scowen to created at the same frequency as McGeady & Co?

I’ll say it again, maybe each and everyone of our deep centre midfields are getting pelters has more to do with the team shape and mentality than the individuals? Maybe.

Not excuses Scowens brain farts and shite passes, even though they are less frequent than most believe.
 
Going off players who have gotten an assist in the league, 5 of our players have a passing accuracy of over 80%. Jones and Leabitter have 83%, Maguire with 82% and McGeady and Scowen have 81%. All at least midfield players and all look like good passers.

Yet McGeady creates 1.8 chances a game, Jones 1.5 and McGuire 1.19. It's then a drop to Scowen who creates 0.76 a game and Leadbitter further back on 0.57. And they've both only got one assist each, yet have made more appearances than the other three. 2 assists in 73 appearances creating 49 chances. The other three have 72 appearances, 22 assists and 106 chances. (McGeady alone getting 13 assists and 47 chances)

The moaned about Gooch had a low 72% pass accuracy, yet creates the same number of chances a game as Scowen - 0.76.

We don't have a creative central midfield. The passing suggests they're passing to each other, backwards or out wide to the creative players.
Or to the fullbacks more often than not one of which regular gives the ball away or the centre backs who also give it to the full backs one of whom regularly gives the ball away
 
I didn’t say he was a creative player but it would help if he could get the best out of them. Win it retain it then feed the creative players. I see the win it all day long, a bit of retaining it yes but not enough of bringing out better players into the game that’s where he surrenders it.

McGeady and Jones have had a lot of opportunities with the ball today. Particularly first half. They must have come from somewhere!

Leadbitter and Scowen did there job in a flawed system, as far as I see it, are they perfect no. Are they as bad as this place makes out? No. Does the system help midfielders? No.
 
McGeady and Jones have had a lot of opportunities with the ball today. Particularly first half. They must have come from somewhere!

Leadbitter and Scowen did there job in a flawed system, as far as I see it, are they perfect no. Are they as bad as this place makes out? No. Does the system help midfielders? No.
Why do you think the system doesn’t help the midfielders ?
 
Why do you think the system doesn’t help the midfielders ?

Fullbacks who either bomb on or open up and shell into corners - kill centre mids.

Wingers you don’t get in leaving huge spaces for CMs to cover, compounded when the full backs have gone on the wander - kills centre mids.

Strikers who struggle to retain possession - kill centre mids

A system that expects deep lying centre mids to trigger or join in the press then be primary cover for full backs despite the backline being deep - kills centre mids.

The distance for centre mids, both sides of the ball, are too big for them to be in any control of most situations or not be on the run will trying to close the distances.
 
We surely can’t be expecting Scowen to created at the same frequency as McGeady & Co?

I’ll say it again, maybe each and everyone of our deep centre midfields are getting pelters has more to do with the team shape and mentality than the individuals? Maybe.

Not excuses Scowens brain farts and shite passes, even though they are less frequent than most believe.
Not really, as I don't think he's down as an attacking midfielder. If he is there to drive forward and help create stuff, then we should expect him to be closer to the others in terms of chances created. Or even more goals. As we are there's no reason to fear any of our central midfielders 25 or so yards from goal. They might shoot, but it's not likely to be on target. Don't create loads of chances so not likely to be a nice little through ball to a striker. Most likely a ball out wide to a winger or to a striker with his back to the goal.

It's likely they're all doing their tactical duty well and Johnson wants the threat to come from out wide. But it's frustrating to see as a fan if the wide players aren't getting much joy that we don't have much threat to offer through the middle.
 
Not really, as I don't think he's down as an attacking midfielder. If he is there to drive forward and help create stuff, then we should expect him to be closer to the others in terms of chances created. Or even more goals. As we are there's no reason to fear any of our central midfielders 25 or so yards from goal. They might shoot, but it's not likely to be on target. Don't create loads of chances so not likely to be a nice little through ball to a striker. Most likely a ball out wide to a winger or to a striker with his back to the goal.

It's likely they're all doing their tactical duty well and Johnson wants the threat to come from out wide. But it's frustrating to see as a fan if the wide players aren't getting much joy that we don't have much threat to offer through the middle.

Largely agree with all of that. Especially the last paragraph.

LJ wants runners and chasers in midfield. His set up makes flawed footballers look worse is all I’m saying.
 
Scowen actually had a half decent shot on target today. OK it was never going to go in but at least he tested the keeper from 18 yards.

Then he did his usual. He had a decent chance about 15 yards out and blazed it miles high and wide using dreadful technique. He really needs to practice shooting, he is dire.
 
Fullbacks who either bomb on or open up and shell into corners - kill centre mids.

Wingers you don’t get in leaving huge spaces for CMs to cover, compounded when the full backs have gone on the wander - kills centre mids.

Strikers who struggle to retain possession - kill centre mids

A system that expects deep lying centre mids to trigger or join in the press then be primary cover for full backs despite the backline being deep - kills centre mids.

The distance for centre mids, both sides of the ball, are too big for them to be in any control of most situations or not be on the run will trying to close the distances.
You could look at any position like that though mate. Wingers don’t fit into the game when centre midfielders don’t gift them the ball. Strikers don’t fit into the game when centre midfielders don’t give them accurate passes. For what it’s worth I dont think we have the players to fit 4 4 2 entirely, 4 5 1 loses our wingers, 4 3 3 isolates Wyke - we can’t do 3 anything cos we only have two fit centre backs. Our squad of players is a mish mash that hasn’t been well thought through for me, made worse by injuries and in hindsight losing a ball player on loan.
That doesn’t change the fact that we need two better central midfielders who can graft at athletes pace and use the ball and that Scowen is a limited ability footballer albeit with some combative qualities who need upgrading.
 
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