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it was bad enough losing Maja and Asoro let alone this new lot, it’s an absolute disgrace and all involved in this shambles should hang their heads in shame.

It's the biggest indication they weren't planning on still being here and had scant regard for what was left behind them.
They talked about 2 year plans which imo is all they looked towards as no owners would have sold players as highly rated as these for peanuts when, with some first team experience, could well have been worth 5-10 times that in another couple of years.
 
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Simple fact is these kids Greenwood etc have gone to some of the biggest clubs in the world. If they didn’t take the opportunity then it may never happen again. There international ambitions are only enhanced by being at one of those Clubs and playing alongside better players day in day out will help them develop. Someone will no doubt say but they could have stayed and be in the 1st team and not likely that to happen at Man Utd etc. Well a lot of those clubs have a history of playing youth and these kids have got to dream and believe that they can Play for the best.
No matter what a League 1 club offers (and even if a diehard) these clubs can offer more in many ways. Always strive to be the best and hopefully these lads are doing that.
Best of luck to them all as football is a very short career that could end with one bad injury.
 
Simple fact is these kids Greenwood etc have gone to some of the biggest clubs in the world. If they didn’t take the opportunity then it may never happen again. There international ambitions are only enhanced by being at one of those Clubs and playing alongside better players day in day out will help them develop. Someone will no doubt say but they could have stayed and be in the 1st team and not likely that to happen at Man Utd etc. Well a lot of those clubs have a history of playing youth and these kids have got to dream and believe that they can Play for the best.
No matter what a League 1 club offers (and even if a diehard) these clubs can offer more in many ways. Always strive to be the best and hopefully these lads are doing that.
Best of luck to them all as football is a very short career that could end with one bad injury.


agree and disagree, they were part of teams getting beaten every week as the Aol had been reduced to rubble. I don't blame them leaving who wants to lose every week
The damage Donald has done to this club will last 10-20 years.

it can be rebuilt but will take time, The AOL is paramount to the future of our club unfortunately the current owners did not think so
 
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I've got no time for any of these kids who've left. The path to our first team is more open than ever and they all took the first chance to leave without even trying to play for their "boyhood" club. Forget about them.

Aye, none of them were shafted by the club or forced out. 'Lads, do you fancy staying in a club going nowhere with an academy in reverse and a shit coaching set up, or do you want to go to Man Utd?' Tricky one.
 
Simple fact is these kids Greenwood etc have gone to some of the biggest clubs in the world. If they didn’t take the opportunity then it may never happen again. There international ambitions are only enhanced by being at one of those Clubs and playing alongside better players day in day out will help them develop. Someone will no doubt say but they could have stayed and be in the 1st team and not likely that to happen at Man Utd etc. Well a lot of those clubs have a history of playing youth and these kids have got to dream and believe that they can Play for the best.
No matter what a League 1 club offers (and even if a diehard) these clubs can offer more in many ways. Always strive to be the best and hopefully these lads are doing that.
Best of luck to them all as football is a very short career that could end with one bad injury.
I think there is a fair amount of truth in that, it would be difficult not to have young players heads turned. The counter to that is we didn't really even seem to try, we could have refused any approach. Ee haven't aren't offering much of a path to the first team and there are strong rumours we have been touting them out.
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the only way the players or parents would know of interest from other clubs is if we gave permission to approach them, if we did give permission then clearly Donald didn't give a shit about our future and was only interested in money.

All this bullshit about not being able to stop them moving is exactly that, bullshit.
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the only way the players or parents would know of interest from other clubs is if we gave permission to approach them, if we did give permission then clearly Donald didn't give a shit about our future and was only interested in money.

All this bullshit about not being able to stop them moving is exactly that, bullshit.

Exactly. See the lad who went to Liverpool and his parent's detailing of what happened, on here.
The club arranged it, the parents spoke to Liverpool, the club didn't even contact the parents to see how it went.
I think that tells anyone everything they need to know.

It was a transaction for the club, nothing else.
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the only way the players or parents would know of interest from other clubs is if we gave permission to approach them, if we did give permission then clearly Donald didn't give a shit about our future and was only interested in money.

All this bullshit about not being able to stop them moving is exactly that, bullshit.
I think the first bit is true, barring an illegal approach.

Not sure on the second bit, I personally think we are getting in to pretty sketchy moral ground if we withhold information about about opportunities for what are still kids from them/parents. I just think we should have been planning for it and sold the opportunities here.
 
I understand they've been half thrown out of the door so SD can grab any cash he can, but any of them could have said no. If they loved Sunderland like you or I do, they'd at least have tried having a real go at getting into the first team at a time when, in theory, its never been easier to get there.

What a load.
 
I think there is a fair amount of truth in that, it would be difficult not to have young players heads turned. The counter to that is we didn't really even seem to try, we could have refused any approach. Ee haven't aren't offering much of a path to the first team and there are strong rumours we have been touting them out.
It can be done though. Look at Dan Neil he had offers from Leeds, Wolves and Newcastle. Adam Richardson turned down Man U to sign a pro deal with us.

What we have down though is although other clubs approach our players without much resistance. Basically putting the decision directly in the players hands

I'm not saying we shouldn't allow that but we could put a stronger case forward for lads to stay here and develop.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the only way the players or parents would know of interest from other clubs is if we gave permission to approach them, if we did give permission then clearly Donald didn't give a shit about our future and was only interested in money.

All this bullshit about not being able to stop them moving is exactly that, bullshit.
Correct
We have a decent batch within the u16s. Let's see whether the club have serious intentions of retaining them
 
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Maja was signed as a 16 year old for the youth team so yes, he was a graduate, although not one we'd developed since a child but still developed.
Egan and Hourihane were released when we were a Premier League club and had to drop down and work to get back to that level. Fair play to them for doing so as well.

He wasn't a home grown academy product, owed no loyalty to us and thus Fooked off at the first opportunity.....so please stop the Fookin hand wringing....
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the only way the players or parents would know of interest from other clubs is if we gave permission to approach them, if we did give permission then clearly Donald didn't give a shit about our future and was only interested in money.

All this bullshit about not being able to stop them moving is exactly that, bullshit.

Aaaah yea cos that's the only way contact happens in your ethical ideal world eh?
 
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He wasn't a home grown academy product, owed no loyalty to us and thus Fooked off at the first opportunity.....so please stop the Fookin hand wringing....


Aaaah yea cos that's the only way contact happens in your ethical ideal world eh?
Well we either gave permission or it was an illegal approach.

Unless you think Man Utd leaked it to sky Sports.
I can see it now "Breaking news Man Utd planning a swoop for Sunderlands Jordan Hugill"
 
It can be done though. Look at Dan Neil he had offers from Leeds, Wolves and Newcastle. Adam Richardson turned down Man U to sign a pro deal with us.

What we have down though is although other clubs approach our players without much resistance. Basically putting the decision directly in the players hands

I'm not saying we shouldn't allow that but we could put a stronger case forward for lads to stay here and develop.

Correct
We have a decent batch within the u16s. Let's see whether the club have serious intentions of retaining them
I agree, no coincidence I guess that Neil signed a contract having been in and around the first team in preseason.
 
There’s 14 listed on Sunderland’s academy squad list to be fair.
And categorising simply as ‘midfielder‘ is always a bit vague. You’ve obv got CDM, CAM, Wingers, 10s, not like listing a GK.
Are you referring to Brewster? I’m not sure how many would find that soul destroying. He joined the club at 14 & has had a successful youth career with them, he’s been part of Champions League squads, Premier League, cup squads, Super Cup winners, had a successful loan in the Championship & now looks to be sold to a PL side. Perhaps he just isn’t the type to sit on the bench and wait for Salah & the likes to move on, no one should find that soul destroying though.

Firstly, it is absolutely fabulous that your boy has signed a professional contract. You must be so proud, and being at such a top club even if he doesn't make it at Liverpool there is now a huge chance that he will have a career in the game. I am sure you will back your son's ability to the hilt, and will know every detail of his peers, and be 100% convinced he will make it to the first team. That would be absolutely incredible.

Until Brewster moves and is interviewed we won't know what is going on his mind. I think he is a huge talent and perhaps soul destroying is wrong but to be so close to a prolonged run in the first team and then for that chance to be potentially taken away must be gut wrenching. But when you are at one of the best teams in the World it is incredibly tough to get your chance. If it wasn't for COVID and the loss of match day income I think he would be retained but the chance to bring in 20m or the equivalent of 10 match days cannot be sniffed at.

Keep sharing his progression on here. I love to read it and often check the academy match reports to see how he got on.
 
Well we either gave permission or it was an illegal approach.

Unless you think Man Utd leaked it to sky Sports.
I can see it now "Breaking news Man Utd planning a swoop for Sunderlands Jordan Hugill"

Don't pretend you're naive sweetpea, you don't believe the "official" approach was the first dance do ye?
 
Simple fact is these kids Greenwood etc have gone to some of the biggest clubs in the world. If they didn’t take the opportunity then it may never happen again. There international ambitions are only enhanced by being at one of those Clubs and playing alongside better players day in day out will help them develop. Someone will no doubt say but they could have stayed and be in the 1st team and not likely that to happen at Man Utd etc. Well a lot of those clubs have a history of playing youth and these kids have got to dream and believe that they can Play for the best.
No matter what a League 1 club offers (and even if a diehard) these clubs can offer more in many ways. Always strive to be the best and hopefully these lads are doing that.
Best of luck to them all as football is a very short career that could end with one bad injury.
No problem with lads leaving if you try your socks off to keep them, but our owners punted them to all the big clubs and not even worked hard to get good deals because there attitude was, we won’t be here long so cash in. As the families of these kids, they have and will tell the truth of what’s gone on.
A disgrace !!!!!!!
 
Hit the post v Rochdale last night and scored his penalty in the shoot-out. Has scored 3 in his first 2 u18 games for Man Utd. Wonder what his transfer value would be already compared to the compensation they paid us? Hard not to believe that at least one of the dozen or so highly rated youth players that have left will be worth many times more than the collective compensation paid in the next few years. Short sighted thinking. I’m convinced more could’ve been done to keep these players.
 
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