Jamie Vardy


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The league table isn't an accurate barometer of how strong a team is but the more evidence we have the more likely it is to be the case. I'm not saying Leicester are a better side than any of the "big six" but the more evidence we have the more you have to accept it as the mean. If Leicester won the title again next season then they would have to be considered the best team in the country or at the very least one of them. I say this without offering an opinion either way and I totally understand why people will question Leicester's credentials.

I don't think Leicester will be as successful as Arsenal over the next couple of years but I'm just saying it's far from inconceivable.



I think i read he hit the woodwork more than any player in the PL last season so it might be his level. I missed 5 games home and away all season, Vardy despite his critics is as good a striker as anyone in the PL apart from Aguero. People like to have preconceptions of him because of the route he's taken and because he looks like a chav and not the most handsome but as a striker he's top quality.

I'm not saying he will hit 24 goals & 12 assists next season because if he could guarantee that he would be worth £80m.

Of course if Leicester win the league next year they'll be considered the best team in the country, it's rare that any side retains the league title in England, so to ignore that would be bizarre. You say that if we had more evidence then we'd have to accept it; I don't disagree, but currently the evidence points to a return to the mean.

Leicester would have made ground on all the teams around them with a top-half finish, let alone winning the bloody thing, however I think it's reasonable to expect Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd and Spurs to significantly strengthen this summer, both because of the cash injection and because of the embarrassment they suffered last year (no offence). Leicester have neither the funds, the existing squad nor the global brand to attract the kinds of players they're going to need if they want to take another tilt at the title.

That's why I think selling a 30yr old Vardy for £20m is good business. Do what Spurs did post-Bale, fatten the squad, build a legacy team, have depth in the majority of positions and then you'll have a reasonable chance of pushing for the top spots.

If you've been offered £20m, keeping Vardy only makes sense if it's guaranteed that he's going to recreate last season's incredible performances.

Why? They won the league by 10 points, teams tried that the whole 2nd half of the season and it didn't work

Don't get this obsession with age, hes not that old.

They won't find anyone for 20 million who will scored 25 goals and contribute like he did.

They won the league in that season. How many "top" sides had poor 15/16 seasons? Man City gave up after Christmas, that was one of the worst Man Utd sides I've ever seen and Chelsea were in the relegation fight for God's sake :lol:

It's not an obsession, just an awareness of the market. A player whose game is predicated on incredible energy rather than, say, incredible vision, will see his contribution suffer as he gets older. How shit was Owen after he couldn't run any more? If Vardy was 24, I wouldn't sell him, but he's 30, so how many seasons has he got left in those legs? 2? 3?

He won't score 25 goals next season and as I've said before if you can spread the goals between a couple of players then a serious injury or the drop in form of 1 player won't put the kibosh on your season.
 
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Of course if Leicester win the league next year they'll be considered the best team in the country, it's rare that any side retains the league title in England, so to ignore that would be bizarre. You say that if we had more evidence then we'd have to accept it; I don't disagree, but currently the evidence points to a return to the mean.

Leicester would have made ground on all the teams around them with a top-half finish, let alone winning the bloody thing, however I think it's reasonable to expect Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd and Spurs to significantly strengthen this summer, both because of the cash injection and because of the embarrassment they suffered last year (no offence). Leicester have neither the funds, the existing squad nor the global brand to attract the kinds of players they're going to need if they want to take another tilt at the title.

That's why I think selling a 30yr old Vardy for £20m is good business. Do what Spurs did post-Bale, fatten the squad, build a legacy team, have depth in the majority of positions and then you'll have a reasonable chance of pushing for the top spots.

If you've been offered £20m, keeping Vardy only makes sense if it's guaranteed that he's going to recreate last season's incredible performances.



They won the league in that season. How many "top" sides had poor 15/16 seasons? Man City gave up after Christmas, that was one of the worst Man Utd sides I've ever seen and Chelsea were in the relegation fight for God's sake :lol:

It's not an obsession, just an awareness of the market. A player whose game is predicated on incredible energy rather than, say, incredible vision, will see his contribution suffer as he gets older. How shit was Owen after he couldn't run any more? If Vardy was 24, I wouldn't sell him, but he's 30, so how many seasons has he got left in those legs? 2? 3?

He won't score 25 goals next season and as I've said before if you can spread the goals between a couple of players then a serious injury or the drop in form of 1 player won't put the kibosh on your season.

He has 3 years left in him, who cares? That is ages. What be one of the most mental sales in history if they willingly sold him

Who you think they could replace him with I have no idea

And no Leicester were the best team in the league by an absolute mile, they won it by 10 points ffs, no idea why people try to belittle their achievements.
 
He has 3 years left in him, who cares? That is ages. What be one of the most mental sales in history if they willingly sold him

Who you think they could replace him with I have no idea

And no Leicester were the best team in the league by an absolute mile, they won it by 10 points ffs, no idea why people try to belittle their achievements.
Was well deserved

Of course if Leicester win the league next year they'll be considered the best team in the country, it's rare that any side retains the league title in England, so to ignore that would be bizarre. You say that if we had more evidence then we'd have to accept it; I don't disagree, but currently the evidence points to a return to the mean.

Leicester would have made ground on all the teams around them with a top-half finish, let alone winning the bloody thing, however I think it's reasonable to expect Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd and Spurs to significantly strengthen this summer, both because of the cash injection and because of the embarrassment they suffered last year (no offence). Leicester have neither the funds, the existing squad nor the global brand to attract the kinds of players they're going to need if they want to take another tilt at the title.

That's why I think selling a 30yr old Vardy for £20m is good business. Do what Spurs did post-Bale, fatten the squad, build a legacy team, have depth in the majority of positions and then you'll have a reasonable chance of pushing for the top spots.

If you've been offered £20m, keeping Vardy only makes sense if it's guaranteed that he's going to recreate last season's incredible performances.



They won the league in that season. How many "top" sides had poor 15/16 seasons? Man City gave up after Christmas, that was one of the worst Man Utd sides I've ever seen and Chelsea were in the relegation fight for God's sake :lol:

It's not an obsession, just an awareness of the market. A player whose game is predicated on incredible energy rather than, say, incredible vision, will see his contribution suffer as he gets older. How shit was Owen after he couldn't run any more? If Vardy was 24, I wouldn't sell him, but he's 30, so how many seasons has he got left in those legs? 2? 3?

He won't score 25 goals next season and as I've said before if you can spread the goals between a couple of players then a serious injury or the drop in form of 1 player won't put the kibosh on your season.

20m isn't that much in the big league any more me old China tea pot

For example, there are reports that Everton have been quoted more than that for a Championship midfielder!
 
Of course if Leicester win the league next year they'll be considered the best team in the country, it's rare that any side retains the league title in England, so to ignore that would be bizarre. You say that if we had more evidence then we'd have to accept it; I don't disagree, but currently the evidence points to a return to the mean.

Leicester would have made ground on all the teams around them with a top-half finish, let alone winning the bloody thing, however I think it's reasonable to expect Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd and Spurs to significantly strengthen this summer, both because of the cash injection and because of the embarrassment they suffered last year (no offence). Leicester have neither the funds, the existing squad nor the global brand to attract the kinds of players they're going to need if they want to take another tilt at the title.

That's why I think selling a 30yr old Vardy for £20m is good business. Do what Spurs did post-Bale, fatten the squad, build a legacy team, have depth in the majority of positions and then you'll have a reasonable chance of pushing for the top spots.

If you've been offered £20m, keeping Vardy only makes sense if it's guaranteed that he's going to recreate last season's incredible performances.

What evidence points to the reversion of the mean? We W8 D4 L0 of our last 12 games, if results are our barometer we're as strong now as we've ever been the last 16 months.

Vardy is 29 and I fail to see in what world selling Vardy for £20m is good business, it's pocket change nowadays. We've been seriously linked with Musa, Slimani and Deeney who would all cost much more than Vardy and I bet none of them would be nowhere near as prolific. Vardy has established himself as one of the best players in the PL, selling him willingly would be crazy when his goals and assists last season probably earnt the club £50m-£100m.

Was well deserved



20m isn't that much in the big league any more me old China tea pot

For example, there are reports that Everton have been quoted more than that for a Championship midfielder!

Will Hughes?
 
He has 3 years left in him, who cares? That is ages. What be one of the most mental sales in history if they willingly sold him

Who you think they could replace him with I have no idea

And no Leicester were the best team in the league by an absolute mile, they won it by 10 points ffs, no idea why people try to belittle their achievements.

That's 3 years where his inflated value will only ever decrease. Sell him now for c£20m, or next season for c£10m?

They could replace him with Batshuayi or Ben Yedder from Ligue 1, but I'm guessing that their Chief Scout probably has more tools at his disposal than I do.

Leicester deserved to win that season. They're not the best team in England, they benefited from a perfect storm. They deserve credit and all that, but lets not put a pig in a dress and call it a princess.

What evidence points to the reversion of the mean? We W8 D4 L0 of our last 12 games, if results are our barometer we're as strong now as we've ever been the last 16 months.

Vardy is 29 and I fail to see in what world selling Vardy for £20m is good business, it's pocket change nowadays. We've been seriously linked with Musa, Slimani and Deeney who would all cost much more than Vardy and I bet none of them would be nowhere near as prolific. Vardy has established himself as one of the best players in the PL, selling him willingly would be crazy when his goals and assists last season probably earnt the club £50m-£100m.



Will Hughes?

My assertion is that the other teams that took part in the league last season strayed from the mean and will likely return. It's folly to think that 1 aberrant season has established a new mean. 12 Games is hardly a decent sample size, especially in the broader view.

And Vardy hasn't established himself as one of the best players in the Premier League man, he's had one good season. He established himself as the most prolific striker in the 15/16 season.
 
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That's 3 years where his inflated value will only ever decrease. Sell him now for c£20m, or next season for c£10m?

They could replace him with Batshuayi or Ben Yedder from Ligue 1, but I'm guessing that their Chief Scout probably has more tools at his disposal than I do.

Leicester deserved to win that season. They're not the best team in England, they benefited from a perfect storm. They deserve credit and all that, but lets not put a pig in a dress and call it a princess.



My assertion is that the other teams that took part in the league last season strayed from the mean and will likely return. It's folly to think that 1 aberrant season has established a new mean. 12 Games is hardly a decent sample size, especially in the broader view.

And Vardy hasn't established himself as one of the best players in the Premier League man, he's had one good season. He established himself as the most prolific striker in the 15/16 season.

Why would they care about missing out on 10 million? They will finish much higher in the league with him?

I dont get your obsession with transfer fees, its irrelevant.
 
Why would they care about missing out on 10 million? They will finish much higher in the league with him?

I dont get your obsession with transfer fees, its irrelevant.

Your argument is based on Vardy maintaining his form. He won't. They'd be better off with a better player, I'm baffled as to why you think that's anything but obvious.
 
Your argument is based on Vardy maintaining his form. He won't. They'd be better off with a better player, I'm baffled as to why you think that's anything but obvious.

You are literally the only person in the world I have heard say Leicester should sell Vardy. So it can't be that obvious.

You seem to think selling the premier league's top scorer and replacing him with a unknown from France is a sensible move. Its crazy!

You do realise they have just WON THE LEAGUE
 
What evidence points to the reversion of the mean? We W8 D4 L0 of our last 12 games, if results are our barometer we're as strong now as we've ever been the last 16 months.

Vardy is 29 and I fail to see in what world selling Vardy for £20m is good business, it's pocket change nowadays. We've been seriously linked with Musa, Slimani and Deeney who would all cost much more than Vardy and I bet none of them would be nowhere near as prolific. Vardy has established himself as one of the best players in the PL, selling him willingly would be crazy when his goals and assists last season probably earnt the club £50m-£100m.



Will Hughes?


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Your argument is based on Vardy maintaining his form. He won't. They'd be better off with a better player, I'm baffled as to why you think that's anything but obvious.

Because he isn't an idiot, perhaps!
 
You are literally the only person in the world I have heard say Leicester should sell Vardy. So it can't be that obvious.

You seem to think selling the premier league's top scorer and replacing him with a unknown from France is a sensible move. Its crazy!

You do realise they have just WON THE LEAGUE

Get a better standard of associates ;)

I think selling a 29yr old one trick pony is reasonable, regardless of how well that trick worked last season. Also, I'd hardly call Batshuayi and Ben Yedder unknowns :lol:

They did win the league and they should use this Lottery win to secure themselves in the top half, pushing for Europe. They're not going to have the stars align like they did last year.
 
Get a better standard of associates ;)

I think selling a 29yr old one trick pony is reasonable, regardless of how well that trick worked last season. Also, I'd hardly call Batshuayi and Ben Yedder unknowns :lol:

They did win the league and they should use this Lottery win to secure themselves in the top half, pushing for Europe. They're not going to have the stars align like they did last year.

One tricky pony ffs

no stars aligned, they were the best team in the league by a long way, just another bitter SAFC fan
 
Get a better standard of associates ;)

I think selling a 29yr old one trick pony is reasonable, regardless of how well that trick worked last season. Also, I'd hardly call Batshuayi and Ben Yedder unknowns :lol:

They did win the league and they should use this Lottery win to secure themselves in the top half, pushing for Europe. They're not going to have the stars align like they did last year.

He's not a one trick pony, this is a misconception by people who don't watch him play and think just because he is exceptional at one aspect of the game he must be a one trick pony. Not every goal he scores is a long punt forward that he gets on the end of.

Selling him willingly for £20m would be madness, we'll see what £20m buys you in the coming months and it won't be a player who contributed to 36 PL goals last season by either goals or assists.

If Leicester get top four next season then big players will take us more seriously as a real force, it's worth keeping your best players for that alone.

You assume that the big clubs will be their all dominating selves just because they've brought in new managers, I wouldn't be so sure. None of them will be anywhere near the big three European clubs next season, the title could be anybodies.

One tricky pony ffs

no stars aligned, they were the best team in the league by a long way, just another bitter SAFC fan

He's a MAG. ;)

The irony, a Newcastle fan telling a Leicester fan where we're going wrong about this Premier League lark. :lol::lol::lol:
 
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He's not a one trick pony, this is a misconception by people who don't watch him play and think just because he is exceptional at one aspect of the game he must be a one trick pony. Not every goal he scores is a long punt forward that he gets on the end of.

Selling him willingly for £20m would be madness, we'll see what £20m buys you in the coming months and it won't be a player who contributed to 36 PL goals last season by either goals or assists.

If Leicester get top four next season then big players will take us more seriously as a real force, it's worth keeping your best players for that alone.

You assume that the big clubs will be their all dominating selves just because they've brought in new managers, I wouldn't be so sure. None of them will be anywhere near the big three European clubs next season, the title could be anybodies.



He's a MAG. ;)

The irony, a Newcastle fan telling a Leicester fan how we're going wrong about this PL lark. :lol::lol::lol:

Ah is he? Well that explains it!!
 
He's not a one trick pony, this is a misconception by people who don't watch him play and think just because he is exceptional at one aspect of the game he must be a one trick pony. Not every goal he scores is a long punt forward that he gets on the end of.

Selling him willingly for £20m would be madness, we'll see what £20m buys you in the coming months and it won't be a player who contributed to 36 PL goals last season by either goals or assists.

If Leicester get top four next season then big players will take us more seriously as a real force, it's worth keeping your best players for that alone.

You assume that the big clubs will be their all dominating selves just because they've brought in new managers, I wouldn't be so sure. None of them will be anywhere near the big three European clubs next season, the title could be anybodies.



He's a MAG. ;)

The irony, a Newcastle fan telling a Leicester fan where we're going wrong about this Premier League lark. :lol::lol::lol:

My allegiance has literally nothing to do with anything. If it were McClaren or Ashley talking to you about how Leicester are going about it, then you'd have a case, but alas I'm not part of the decision making process at my club so it's not really ironic, is it? :lol:

I do assume that the teams who traditionally finish in the top six will revert to that, rather than the continuation of one of the greatest fairy stories in sporting history. I think that's the viewpoint of someone who's able to be objective.

They'll revert to type, not just because some of them have new managers, but because last season they were so poor. Chelsea had their lowest finish and their lowest points total in 20 seasons. Their 10 yr average points haul is 26 points higher than they achieved last time round.
 
My allegiance has literally nothing to do with anything. If it were McClaren or Ashley talking to you about how Leicester are going about it, then you'd have a case, but alas I'm not part of the decision making process at my club so it's not really ironic, is it? :lol:

I do assume that the teams who traditionally finish in the top six will revert to that, rather than the continuation of one of the greatest fairy stories in sporting history. I think that's the viewpoint of someone who's able to be objective.

They'll revert to type, not just because some of them have new managers, but because last season they were so poor. Chelsea had their lowest finish and their lowest points total in 20 seasons. Their 10 yr average points haul is 26 points higher than they achieved last time round.

I was just busting your balls, club allegiance is irrelevant to someone's opinions. :lol:

I'm not saying normal service won't be resumed next season but I'll contest your opinion of "evidence", you've based your opinion on history and not what we've seen on the pitch.
 
I was just busting your balls, club allegiance is irrelevant to someone's opinions. :lol:

I'm not saying normal service won't be resumed next season but I'll contest your opinion of "evidence", you've based your opinion on history and not what we've seen on the pitch.
... You're basing your opinion on history too, you must be because we've seen none of the 16/17 season.

I'd argue that 20 seasons is a better marker for what to expect than 1 aberrant season.
 
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