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Jamie Harrison, who bowled seven overs on his return to action last week, suffered a reaction in his knee and will re-visit a specialist for an opinion. Fellow all-rounder Usman Arshad is expected to be back from a foot problem in around two weeks.
 

Parkside said:
Any progress report on Mark Wood?
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Woody bowled during the breaks at South North during the second team game but at the time didn't know when he'd get the all clear to bowl in a game. He thinks he's not far away but it's up to the physio to say yes or no.
 
3 talented and young home grown lads - Arshad, Wood and Harrison. Hopefully they'll be mainstays in the team in the coming years. All can bat a bit as well. DCCC love the all rounders. Even from an early age if you cant bat/bowl/field or bat/keep then you dont have much chance. There are exceptions but if you go through the team now you'll find that there are hardly any what you would call specialist batsmen only.
 
The Omega Man said:
3 talented and young home grown lads - Arshad, Wood and Harrison. Hopefully they'll be mainstays in the team in the coming years. All can bat a bit as well. DCCC love the all rounders. Even from an early age if you cant bat/bowl/field or bat/keep then you dont have much chance. There are exceptions but if you go through the team now you'll find that there are hardly any what you would call specialist batsmen only.
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Three excellent young cricketers, and perfect examples of why junior cricketers should be concentrating on the quality of cricket they play and not the quantity. All three have suffered with injury, mostly stress injuries caused in part by long hard seasons as juniors. The ECB have made great strides in recent years to try and monitor and restrict young players to manageable playing time, but these guidelines sometimes go out the window when clubs have lads playing in several age groups and senior sides. The better lads tend to get overused more than normal guidelines allow for, definately something parents should be wary of from an early age, it may head off injury problems in later years.
 
Harry Lime said:
Three excellent young cricketers, and perfect examples of why junior cricketers should be concentrating on the quality of cricket they play and not the quantity. All three have suffered with injury, mostly stress injuries caused in part by long hard seasons as juniors. The ECB have made great strides in recent years to try and monitor and restrict young players to manageable playing time, but these guidelines sometimes go out the window when clubs have lads playing in several age groups and senior sides. The better lads tend to get overused more than normal guidelines allow for, definately something parents should be wary of from an early age, it may head off injury problems in later years.
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Catch 22 though Harry. Better that the lads are playing than constantly being in the nets and also its no accident that clubs like Eppleton and Burnopfield produce players for DCCC when they promote talented kids through the ranks as soon as possible. Also as far as I'm aware there are no guidelines for how many games players should play at each age group. Senior cricket wise there are strict guidelines on how old or experienced a lad/lass has to be and also how many overs they can bowl in a spell. the umpires are well aware of this and make a note of such things as the game progresses.

My lad has so far played 31 games this season for club, league and county with half a dozen more to come before the season ends. Is 37 too much for a 12 year old lad spread over 5 months?
 
The Omega Man said:
Catch 22 though Harry. Better that the lads are playing than constantly being in the nets and also its no accident that clubs like Eppleton and Burnopfield produce players for DCCC when they promote talented kids through the ranks as soon as possible. Also as far as I'm aware there are no guidelines for how many games players should play at each age group. Senior cricket wise there are strict guidelines on how old or experienced a lad/lass has to be and also how many overs they can bowl in a spell. the umpires are well aware of this and make a note of such things as the game progresses.

My lad has so far played 31 games this season for club, league and county with half a dozen more to come before the season ends. Is 37 too much for a 12 year old lad spread over 5 months?
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Yes there are guidelines limiting the number of overs bowled over a set number of days, it's been a while since I was involved so I can't remember what they are. It's definately worth getting hold of a copy for yourself as a parent so you can keep a check on yours lads playing time. It's the quality of the cricket the lads are playing that will bring the best out of them, not the quantity, it's a system the Aussies use to great effect.

If you call into the DCB office the next time you're at the riverside, you will be able to pick up a copy of the guidelines there, it may give you something to think about when deciding how many games a week you want your lad to play.
 
Harry Lime said:
Yes there guidelines limiting the number of overs bowled over a set number of days, it's been a while since I was involved so I can't remember what they are. It's definately worth getting hold of a copy for yourself as a parent so you can keep a check on yours lads playing time. It's the quality of the cricket the lads are playing that will bring the best out of them, not the quality, it's a system the Aussies use to great effect.

If you call into the DCB office the next time you're at the riverside, you will be able to pick up a copy of the guidelines there, it may give you something to think about when deciding how many games a week you want your lad to play.
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TBF its the quality that I think about constantly. He's hardly played U13 cricket this season and has concentrated on playing U15's, Academy, County U12's and Inter League games. He wasnt considered for some games by his club/county because they werent the challenging games.
 
The Omega Man said:
TBF its the quality that I think about constantly. He's hardly played U13 cricket this season and has concentrated on playing U15's, Academy, County U12's and Inter League games. He wasnt considered for some games by his club/county because they werent the challenging games.
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If your son were only a batsman then it wouldn't be as big a concern as being a batter and bowler, it's over bowling at a young age that causes the problems later on (stress fractures seem to be the main injuries for young fast bowlers). At 12 yr old your lad has all the time in the world to progress, talented lads have more opportunies than ever to progress now, and the coaching setup in Durham is one of the best in county cricket. Sometimes less is more, if playing less now means they play more later on when it really matters, then that can only be a good thing.
 
Harry Lime said:
If your son were only a batsman then it wouldn't be as big a concern as being a batter and bowler, it's over bowling at a young age that causes the problems later on (stress fractures seem to be the main injuries for young fast bowlers). At 12 yr old your lad has all the time in the world to progress, talented lads have more opportunies than ever to progress now, and the coaching setup in Durham is one of the best in county cricket. Sometimes less is more, if playing less now means they play more later on when it really matters, then that can only be a good thing.
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TBF again there is no better coach in the NE than the one he has at his club side. I understand the point you are making and am well aware of the number of fast bowlers who have had injury problems. but his club is well aware of the number of overs he is bowling. Again he hasnt bowled as many overs as he could have for the U13s. Not only that but he is more medium pace at this stage rather than pace. So far so good as regards avoiding injuries.
 
The Omega Man said:
TBF again there is no better coach in the NE than the one he has at his club side. I understand the point you are making and am well aware of the number of fast bowlers who have had injury problems. but his club is well aware of the number of overs he is bowling. Again he hasnt bowled as many overs as he could have for the U13s. Not only that but he is more medium pace at this stage rather than pace. So far so good as regards avoiding injuries.
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I'm not picking fault with you or your lads coach by the way, I've known Killa since his early days at Durham and have nothing but respect for his abilities. I was just using the the 3 lads mentioned in this thread as an example of why youngsters should be careful of over playing before they are fully developed.

I've just had a quick look at the guidelines on line and here's a short section.


"For guidance it is recommended that in any 7 day period a fast bowler should not bowl more than 4 days in that period and for a maximum of 2 days in a row "

This includes games and nets.
 
Harry Lime said:
Yes there are guidelines limiting the number of overs bowled over a set number of days, it's been a while since I was involved so I can't remember what they are. It's definately worth getting hold of a copy for yourself as a parent so you can keep a check on yours lads playing time. It's the quality of the cricket the lads are playing that will bring the best out of them, not the quantity, it's a system the Aussies use to great effect.

If you call into the DCB office the next time you're at the riverside, you will be able to pick up a copy of the guidelines there, it may give you something to think about when deciding how many games a week you want your lad to play.
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Harry I understand why this is in place but is there an argument that this is causing some of the problems. By limiting the overs bowled are the powers that be stopping these players from developing the strength and stamina they need to develop.

From my own experience of quite a few years ago when the number of overs were not limited I often bowled long spells which I feel certainly helped develop my strength and stamina. The only injury I had was a pulled groin which happened when I was batting and slipped when I turned when running between the wickets. I cannot ever remember any bowlers suffering from stress fractures in my playing years whereas these days there are loads of these types of injury.

Mind one thing different from today was each club only had one junior team (U18's) and no one had U11's, U13's or U15's as you played cricket at school for these age groups.

This is just a thought because why is it constantly happening now since these limitations have been put in place?
 
Harry Lime said:
I'm not picking fault with you or your lads coach by the way, I've known Killa since his early days at Durham and have nothing but respect for his abilities. I was just using the the 3 lads mentioned in this thread as an example of why youngsters should be careful of over playing before they are fully developed.

I've just had a quick look at the guidelines on line and here's a short section.


"For guidance it is recommended that in any 7 day period a fast bowler should not bowl more than 4 days in that period and for a maximum of 2 days in a row "
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Cant think of a week this season where he has infringed that rule. By and large most of his club cricket is played on a sunday and a monday and then he takes the rest of the week to recover.
 
Former Player said:
Harry I understand why this is in place but is there an argument that this is causing some of the problems. By limiting the overs bowled are the powers that be stopping these players from developing the strength and stamina they need to develop.

From my own experience of quite a few years ago when the number of overs were not limited I often bowled long spells which I feel certainly helped develop my strength and stamina. The only injury I had was a pulled groin which happened when I was batting and slipped when I turned when running between the wickets. I cannot ever remember any bowlers suffering from stress fractures in my playing years whereas these days there are loads of these types of injury.

Mind one thing different from today was each club only had one junior team (U18's) and no one had U11's, U13's or U15's as you played cricket at school for these age groups.

This is just a thought because why is it constantly happening now since these limitations have been put in place?
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It's more than likely that training sessions and games are a lot more intense nowadays than they used to be. I wish I knew the answer, I would make a fortune working for the ECB.
 
Harry Lime said:
It's more than likely that training sessions and games are a lot more intense nowadays than they used to be. I wish I knew the answer, I would make a fortune working for the ECB.
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Fair point Harry. Do coaches and parents take into account the intense training sessions the County squads have week in week out.

Its just I'd never heard of cricketers suffering from stress fractures of the back until 10 years ago. Shin splints yes when bowling on hard wickets but never stress fractures.
 
Former Player said:
Fair point Harry. Do coaches and parents take into account the intense training sessions the County squads have week in week out.

Its just I'd never heard of cricketers suffering from stress fractures of the back until 10 years ago. Shin splints yes when bowling on hard wickets but never stress fractures.
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I think it's the technology available to pick up stress fractures now that's made the difference. When I played if you got hurt you got x rayed which doesn't pick up a lot of stress fractures, just breaks. Now you get injected with dye and have an MRI scan which detects the tiniest defects in the bone. It's not just that lads didn't get these injuries, it's just that now they can identify them. Plus the
Old school way was to try and "run it off" whereas nowadays it's off the field and straight on the physios bench at the slightest niggle.
 
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