IrishMackem88
Winger
If I worked abroad I would be respectful of their national anthem regardless of history. James should have stood in quiet contemplation & not drawn adverse attention to himself.
Agreed fully
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If I worked abroad I would be respectful of their national anthem regardless of history. James should have stood in quiet contemplation & not drawn adverse attention to himself.
He may be, but he was born in the UK and that won't change.He's an Irish citizen not a British citizen.
I would like to think they've woke up this morning looked at this thread and thought fuck did I post that. I doubt it mindSome shocking opinions from both sides on this thread.
He may be, but he was born in the UK and that won't change.
That was against Thatcher this was against Britain. Far enough if there was British soldiers at the match. But he plays for WBA and British club with British fans. As many of us have said on this thread, it's time to move on and build bridges. I mentioned Barry McGuigan earlier and Michael O'Neill who's a Catholic. They have used sport to unite a divided nations. If McClean wants to live in the past let him. He's just letting himself down.I'm showing a comparable situation.
People are calling James McClean an arsehole for not paying respect to a national anthem.
He doesn't do this because he believes the English murdered and oppressed his countrymen.
The mining/ex-mining communities are celebrated on here and in other places. However, they demonstrably did not show respect to Thatcher during her funeral, because they believe that she oppressed them and ruined their lives.
Why is James McClean an arsehole for doing this, but the miners celebrated and applauded?
Is it because people have double standards?
I'm not saying either of these parties are right or wrong in their beliefs of the English/Margaret Thatcher, I'm just saying there's a bit of a double standard there.
That was against Thatcher this was against Britain. Far enough if there was British soldiers at the match. But he plays for WBA and British club with British fans. As many of us have said on this thread, it's time to move on and build bridges. I mentioned Barry McGuigan earlier and Michael O'Neill who's a Catholic. They have used sport to unite a divided nations. If McClean wants to live in the past let him. He's just letting himself down.
That was against Thatcher this was against Britain. Far enough if there was British soldiers at the match. But he plays for WBA and British club with British fans. As many of us have said on this thread, it's time to move on and build bridges. I mentioned Barry McGuigan earlier and Michael O'Neill who's a Catholic. They have used sport to unite a divided nations. If McClean wants to live in the past let him. He's just letting himself down.
If I worked abroad I would be respectful of their national anthem regardless of history. James should have stood in quiet contemplation & not drawn adverse attention to himself.
Doesn't make sense.Which is whether, he's recognised by the Irish government as an Irish citizen.
So this whole myth that he's British isn't a fact at all, he's as Irish as me who has no British blood in him.
So it appears it was targeted at police.Right on cue.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-33579529
As long as we have idiots like McClean in the world we'll get stories like this. Move on and grow up you thick sectarian bigots.
You still can't possibly accept that connotations that the Union Jack and God Save The Queen have for Irish Nationalists, particularly from where McClean grew up.
In his mind it's not his anthem or flag, it's the anthem and flag of British Imperialism. It's not like he took a Union Jack out and set it alight. Some people need to get a grip.
Ask yer marWhich is whether, he's recognised by the Irish government as an Irish citizen.
So this whole myth that he's British isn't a fact at all, he's as Irish as me who has no British blood in him.
I haven't tarred every irish man. Im entitled to my opinion, which is mclean has acted like a right ****.Why bother then.....
My point was clearly about not wanting posters on here to tar every Irish person with the one brush because of one persons actions. As a result of McCleans actions, there were many posters on here who clearly used their dislike of Ireland in a highly disrespectful manner by spouting pure bigotted remarks.
Appreciate that mate. Maybe he could have turned too & not drawn the attention.He did, he simply didnt turn to the side, he stayed static and just as he did during the minutes silence on poppy day at Sunderland simply looked at the floor. He said nothing at all, remained silent, everybody else has done the shouting, not him.
Did you read the point when I said my personal family have suffered frm the irish before or you just turn a blind eye to that? Yet, I dont resent or go on the pike mclean does. You haven't a clue.Oh so what can I say then?
Are you disputing the fact there's a clear double standard there and you're calling someone an arsehole for doing something you can't hope to understand because you've never lived through what his family and countrymen did?
Did you read the point when I said my personal family have suffered frm the irish before or you just turn a blind eye to that? Yet, I dont resent or go on the pike mclean does. You haven't a clue.
Surprised its taken you so long wee manLooking at the picture and reading the related article I can't really come to any other conclusion that the lad is a bit of a tool.
If Martin McGuinness can turn a corner along with Queen Elizabeth and move on, then so can he.
Can't see it can you?Individuals react in different ways to different things. Some people will forgive the Irish or the British for their respective parts in the troubles, some won't. Just because you don't have resentment doesn't mean that McClean shouldn't have.
Tbh, I think this post is patronising in the extreme, everyone is entitled to their oppinion and there are plenty of people on this board who know very well what the troubles were/are about, it's not as if it was a secret and un-documented.Having worked as a cross-community worker with adults and young people in Belfast, I can't blame him. Why should he? But then, why should others care? He's made a choice and stands by it, a young man who cares and stands up to criticism from the public for that. Good on him for being strong in his belief. Can't believe so many people who have had literally NO experience of the issues he will have faced will condemn him. If you've faced it, then fine. Unless you've lived, breathed and quite literally fought it? You need to calm down, because you don't have a clue.
Aye "staunch republican from Northern Iteland" then went and played for the South.Good for him. Nice to see a footballer with principals