James Mcclean


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I'm showing a comparable situation.

People are calling James McClean an arsehole for not paying respect to a national anthem.
He doesn't do this because he believes the English murdered and oppressed his countrymen.

The mining/ex-mining communities are celebrated on here and in other places. However, they demonstrably did not show respect to Thatcher during her funeral, because they believe that she oppressed them and ruined their lives.

Why is James McClean an arsehole for doing this, but the miners celebrated and applauded?

Is it because people have double standards?

I'm not saying either of these parties are right or wrong in their beliefs of the English/Margaret Thatcher, I'm just saying there's a bit of a double standard there.
That was against Thatcher this was against Britain. Far enough if there was British soldiers at the match. But he plays for WBA and British club with British fans. As many of us have said on this thread, it's time to move on and build bridges. I mentioned Barry McGuigan earlier and Michael O'Neill who's a Catholic. They have used sport to unite a divided nations. If McClean wants to live in the past let him. He's just letting himself down.
 
Imagine the reaction if a U S player did that to their anthem.

End of career just for starters I would think.
 
That was against Thatcher this was against Britain. Far enough if there was British soldiers at the match. But he plays for WBA and British club with British fans. As many of us have said on this thread, it's time to move on and build bridges. I mentioned Barry McGuigan earlier and Michael O'Neill who's a Catholic. They have used sport to unite a divided nations. If McClean wants to live in the past let him. He's just letting himself down.

The Northern Ireland supporters club in Belfast had an orange order flag flying outside their pub last week, a healthy portion of people up the North are living in the past not just the likes of mcclean.
 
That was against Thatcher this was against Britain. Far enough if there was British soldiers at the match. But he plays for WBA and British club with British fans. As many of us have said on this thread, it's time to move on and build bridges. I mentioned Barry McGuigan earlier and Michael O'Neill who's a Catholic. They have used sport to unite a divided nations. If McClean wants to live in the past let him. He's just letting himself down.

Quite right.
He's a total dickhead if he's not bright enough to see that.
 
If I worked abroad I would be respectful of their national anthem regardless of history. James should have stood in quiet contemplation & not drawn adverse attention to himself.

He did, he simply didnt turn to the side, he stayed static and just as he did during the minutes silence on poppy day at Sunderland simply looked at the floor. He said nothing at all, remained silent, everybody else has done the shouting, not him.
 
Right on cue.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-33579529

As long as we have idiots like McClean in the world we'll get stories like this. Move on and grow up you thick sectarian bigots.
So it appears it was targeted at police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-33584806

You still can't possibly accept that connotations that the Union Jack and God Save The Queen have for Irish Nationalists, particularly from where McClean grew up.

Didn't he grow up in the UK, I'm assuming NI is still part of the UK ?

In his mind it's not his anthem or flag, it's the anthem and flag of British Imperialism. It's not like he took a Union Jack out and set it alight. Some people need to get a grip.

So he has no respect for his own country then? He was born in Northern Ireland in 1989. Bloody Sunday occurred in 1972. When he was 9 years old the good friday peace agreement was signed.
Mclean didn't want to play for the country he was born in and needed special clearance from FIFA to represent Ireland,for what reason? Religion? Politics? Or is he just a knob?

People who were there at the time have both forgiven and moved on. Why can't someone who wasn't even born at the time do the same?
 
Why bother then.....

My point was clearly about not wanting posters on here to tar every Irish person with the one brush because of one persons actions. As a result of McCleans actions, there were many posters on here who clearly used their dislike of Ireland in a highly disrespectful manner by spouting pure bigotted remarks.
I haven't tarred every irish man. Im entitled to my opinion, which is mclean has acted like a right ****.
 
He did, he simply didnt turn to the side, he stayed static and just as he did during the minutes silence on poppy day at Sunderland simply looked at the floor. He said nothing at all, remained silent, everybody else has done the shouting, not him.
Appreciate that mate. Maybe he could have turned too & not drawn the attention.
 
Oh so what can I say then?

Are you disputing the fact there's a clear double standard there and you're calling someone an arsehole for doing something you can't hope to understand because you've never lived through what his family and countrymen did?
Did you read the point when I said my personal family have suffered frm the irish before or you just turn a blind eye to that? Yet, I dont resent or go on the pike mclean does. You haven't a clue.
 
Did you read the point when I said my personal family have suffered frm the irish before or you just turn a blind eye to that? Yet, I dont resent or go on the pike mclean does. You haven't a clue.

Individuals react in different ways to different things. Some people will forgive the Irish or the British for their respective parts in the troubles, some won't. Just because you don't have resentment doesn't mean that McClean shouldn't have.
 
Individuals react in different ways to different things. Some people will forgive the Irish or the British for their respective parts in the troubles, some won't. Just because you don't have resentment doesn't mean that McClean shouldn't have.
Can't see it can you?
 
Having worked as a cross-community worker with adults and young people in Belfast, I can't blame him. Why should he? But then, why should others care? He's made a choice and stands by it, a young man who cares and stands up to criticism from the public for that. Good on him for being strong in his belief. Can't believe so many people who have had literally NO experience of the issues he will have faced will condemn him. If you've faced it, then fine. Unless you've lived, breathed and quite literally fought it? You need to calm down, because you don't have a clue.
Tbh, I think this post is patronising in the extreme, everyone is entitled to their oppinion and there are plenty of people on this board who know very well what the troubles were/are about, it's not as if it was a secret and un-documented.
 
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