James Mcclean


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Any life lost is regrettable and the bombings on mainland Britain were wrong but you have to look at why Birmingham was bombed. Maybe it was because of British Imperialism and oppression in a foreign country where their armed forces undertook acts on violence on unarmed innocent civilians because of their religion or political leanings. You play with fire and you get burned and the British Government were responsible for bringing the violence and mayhem of a conflict on a foreign land to their own doorstep.

You still can't possibly accept that connotations that the Union Jack and God Save The Queen have for Irish Nationalists, particularly from where McClean grew up.

Give it a rest man James, we know you're a terrorist apologist, and you hold some warped ideals, that's why you left Sunderland. Now stop trolling this message board and concentrate on being as unpopular with the baggies fans as you are with us.
 
To be fair to the lad, put yourself in his shoes.

The one country that he believes oppressed his people also happens to be the one country he can use his skills at a high level and make a living out of it

If the only place you could use your skills to make a living was a country you hated what would you do?

Bear in mind he has to earn enough in ~15 years to last him and his family a lifetime
This is a good point and what people should consider.
I'm not a hypocrite though and couldn't work in a country I felt like that about.
I'd rather play in MLS or another European league even if it meant less money. He actually turned down that chance in May.
 
That you will have to ask him, but it's a two way street, the Union Jack and God Save The Queen are very contentious to nationalist people and I can fully understand why McClean did what he did. It's the association for what they stand for in Ireland that makes it a problem, I don't think what he did was a big deal and I fully understand it - others don't but my view is that's because they don't understand their connotations in Ireland. Either way he was put in awkward position.
He put himself in the awkward position if he feels so strongly about. The troubles he could choose to earn his living in his homeland.
 
McGuinness was in the IRA and Paisley was one of the most hate-filled bigots to ever walk this earth.

McClean is a football player who comes from a part of Ireland where British Imperialism impacted gravely upon, I think it's understandable that he can take such a stance. McClean is not the one making a big deal out of matters, he turned his back and stood silently in a pre-season game he probably didn't even know there was going to be any significant coverage of. It's intolerant people like you, who can't accept he may have understandable reasons to do what he did - whether right or wrong - that is the problem.
So you're a little biased then
 
To be fair to the lad, put yourself in his shoes.

The one country that he believes oppressed his people also happens to be the one country he can use his skills at a high level and make a living out of it

If the only place you could use your skills to make a living was a country you hated what would you do?

Bear in mind he has to earn enough in ~15 years to last him and his family a lifetime
He had the chance to move to the MOD during the summer.

It's funny that this happened last night. The same night Carl Frampton was fighting, a man who has managed to get the support of the whole island behind him. Just his ptomoter Barry McGuigan, did the same during the height of the troubles.

Just goes to show that sport can be used united us or divide us.
 
Well I'd like to think any posters on here with a James McClean agenda and dislike for the man, wouldn't start throwing out anti Irish terms. It's not our fault he acted in that manner that he did.

As I said last night, I can take a joke and a laugh no problem once it's in good humour in regard to slagging Ireland or whatever, but some of the stuff I read on here last night was pretty low and bad humoured.
 
Well I'd like to think any posters on here with a James McClean agenda and dislike for the man, wouldn't start throwing out anti Irish terms. It's not our fault he acted in that manner that he did.

As I said last night, I can take a joke and a laugh no problem once it's in good humour in regard to slagging Ireland or whatever, but some of the stuff I read on here last night was pretty low and bad humoured.
Well how low and bad mannered was Mclean? Turning ya back on somebody else's national anthem irrespective of who's it is, that is just plain ignorance of the highest order. He deserves every single piece of criticism that comes his way.
 
Well how low and bad mannered was Mclean? Turning ya back on somebody else's national anthem irrespective of who's it is, that is just plain ignorance of the highest order. He deserves every single piece of criticism that comes his way.

Why should he not be allowed to express himself? It's very easy to say that as an English person, as someone who has never seen his countrymen oppressed and their freedom taken.
 
Why should he not be allowed to express himself? It's very easy to say that as an English person, as someone who has never seen his countrymen oppressed and their freedom taken.
why turn ya back tho? Not everybody agrees bout other countries policies or history but do you see any other footballer turn their backs? He's goin on like a spoilt kid. I got relatives who have suffered frm the irish but do I resent or act like he does? No. He needs to grow up and realise it's not all about him. Absolute moron he is.

Did you even read my post????

Obviously not......
Not really.
 
why turn ya back tho? Not everybody agrees bout other countries policies or history but do you see any other footballer turn their backs? He's goin on like a spoilt kid. I got relatives who have suffered frm the irish but do I resent or act like he does? No. He needs to grow up and realise it's not all about him. Absolute moron he is.

He hasn't turned his back, he just hasn't turned to the right to pay tribute to the national anthem, the national anthem of a country he believes oppressed and murdered his countrymen. Why shouldn't he be allowed to do that if he wants to?

I daresay there will have been a few people who did not show respect to Thatcher or her funeral on the day she died. In fact, here's a link to a Telegraph article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...al-protesters-turn-their-backs-on-coffin.html

"Many waved placards with home-made slogans or posters from the Left-wing Socialist Worker Party reading, "Now bury Thatcherism".

Earlier there were boos, whistles and chants of "waste of money" as military marching bands passed along the route ahead of the coffin.

One of the back-turning protest's organisers, Hilary Jones, 50, accused the Government of using tax payers' money to turn Lady Thatcher's funeral into a "party political broadcast".

Do you think that the miners and ex-miners of the North East would have shown her respect? After all, I'm sure the miners believe that Thatcher oppressed them and ruined their lives. Does that make them arseholes?
 
To all the ira supporters on here ; you must be gutted that the thick gutless cowardly bastards failed in Lurgan yesterday . Such a pity the bomb didn't go off in their hands .

He hasn't turned his back, he just hasn't turned to the right to pay tribute to the national anthem, the national anthem of a country he believes oppressed and murdered his countrymen. Why shouldn't he be allowed to do that if he wants to?

I daresay there will have been a few people who did not show respect to Thatcher or her funeral on the day she died. In fact, here's a link to a Telegraph article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...al-protesters-turn-their-backs-on-coffin.html

"Many waved placards with home-made slogans or posters from the Left-wing Socialist Worker Party reading, "Now bury Thatcherism".

Earlier there were boos, whistles and chants of "waste of money" as military marching bands passed along the route ahead of the coffin.

One of the back-turning protest's organisers, Hilary Jones, 50, accused the Government of using tax payers' money to turn Lady Thatcher's funeral into a "party political broadcast".

Do you think that the miners and ex-miners of the North East would have shown her respect? After all, I'm sure the miners believe that Thatcher oppressed them and ruined their lives. Does that make them arseholes?
Because he's an arsehole .
 
To all the ira supporters on here ; you must be gutted that the thick gutless cowardly bastards failed in Lurgan yesterday . Such a pity the bomb didn't go off in their hands .


Because he's an arsehole .

He's an arsehole because he doesn't want to show any recognition for the national anthem of a country he believes oppressed and murdered his countrymen? Regardless of whether or not he's right about that, if he genuinely believes it, why shouldn't he be allowed to act in that manner?

He's not inciting hatred, he's not burning poppies or flags or abusing anyone and if he does so, I don't condone it, but turning your back on a national anthem is a personal choice and until you can understand why he's done it you can't really call him an arsehole with any conviction
 
He hasn't turned his back, he just hasn't turned to the right to pay tribute to the national anthem, the national anthem of a country he believes oppressed and murdered his countrymen. Why shouldn't he be allowed to do that if he wants to?

I daresay there will have been a few people who did not show respect to Thatcher or her funeral on the day she died. In fact, here's a link to a Telegraph article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...al-protesters-turn-their-backs-on-coffin.html

"Many waved placards with home-made slogans or posters from the Left-wing Socialist Worker Party reading, "Now bury Thatcherism".

Earlier there were boos, whistles and chants of "waste of money" as military marching bands passed along the route ahead of the coffin.

One of the back-turning protest's organisers, Hilary Jones, 50, accused the Government of using tax payers' money to turn Lady Thatcher's funeral into a "party political broadcast".

Do you think that the miners and ex-miners of the North East would have shown her respect? After all, I'm sure the miners believe that Thatcher oppressed them and ruined their lives. Does that make them arseholes?
What has Thatcher got to do with him and the national anthem
 
What has Thatcher got to do with him and the national anthem

I'm showing a comparable situation.

People are calling James McClean an arsehole for not paying respect to a national anthem.
He doesn't do this because he believes the English murdered and oppressed his countrymen.

The mining/ex-mining communities are celebrated on here and in other places. However, they demonstrably did not show respect to Thatcher during her funeral, because they believe that she oppressed them and ruined their lives.

Why is James McClean an arsehole for doing this, but the miners celebrated and applauded?

Is it because people have double standards?

I'm not saying either of these parties are right or wrong in their beliefs of the English/Margaret Thatcher, I'm just saying there's a bit of a double standard there.
 
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