James Mcclean


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Shocker yeah ? Having strong Northern Irish roots. But then idiots like him keep the shit going on like this ? Hmm I've had family affected by the troubles. He's republican scum.

Republican scum? Because he chose not to recognise or pay homage to a flag and anthem symbolic with oppression, imperialism and murder in his country.

Would you stand for the Nazi anthem and Swastika if it was played in an event you were at?

I know. I lived in Ireland for 3 years.

Sorry I didn't mean generic Irish attitudes towards the English. I meant if individual Irish people (like jimmy mac) had views and they caused any offence then it would be incumbent on the Englishman living in Ireland to learn a little history (example in my time was the protests by some people about rugby being played at Croke Park as well as GSTQ).

However in this case Jimmy Mac is the guy living abroad. He should be trying to distinguish the difference between imperialist militarism and standard respectful patriotism. The latter should be respected the former I would expect a Derry native to take a stand and communicate his decision properly to his employers. He did that with Wigan but not us.

I thought it would be fairly obvious why McClean would not wear a poppy but that didn't stop ignorant people unleashing their hate on him.
 
I am of Northern Irish family,
Your obviously catholic fella but we cannot really ever move forward with fuck wits like him in The public.
My grandad came from dungiven in derry, I love going over to ireland and can understand why nationalists don't sing gstq but when your representing an English team you don't disrepect the anthem,if you don't like it don't sing it but don't try and make an issue out of it,it embrasses your own club
 
Republican scum? Because he chose not to recognise or pay homage to a flag and anthem symbolic with oppression, imperialism and murder in his country.

Would you stand for the Nazi anthem and Swastika if it was played in an event you were at?



I thought it would be fairly obvious why McClean would not wear a poppy but that didn't stop ignorant people unleashing their hate on him.
Ignorant right.
1. I've been affected by the troubles so I do have a hate towards him for the way he acts in general. So my opinion is towards him that he is an arsehole and it won't change.

People
Like him won't bring Ireland/Northern Ireland forward.
 
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My grandad came from dungiven in derry, I love going over to ireland and can understand why nationalists don't sing gstq but when your representing an English team you don't disrepect the anthem,if you don't like it don't sing it but don't try and make an issue out of it,it embrasses your own club
even worse on this board idiots who have read too many books my opinion on jmc is very low as he can stir up and he has just done that.
 
My grandad came from dungiven in derry, I love going over to ireland and can understand why nationalists don't sing gstq but when your representing an English team you don't disrepect the anthem,if you don't like it don't sing it but don't try and make an issue out of it,it embrasses your own club

It's not as if he started shouting vulgarities and making gestures when the anthem was played. He turned away from a flag and anthem that is symbolic with imperialism and violent oppression in his country and he bowed his head in silence. It's understandable and it's people who are out there wanting to get outraged that are the problem.
 
Republican scum? Because he chose not to recognise or pay homage to a flag and anthem symbolic with oppression, imperialism and murder in his country.

Would you stand for the Nazi anthem and Swastika if it was played in an event you were at?



I thought it would be fairly obvious why McClean would not wear a poppy but that didn't stop ignorant people unleashing their hate on him.

Your comparing the British National Anthem and Britain to Nazi Germany? Tell me James, as your so clued up on History, who fought on alone for a year against Germany. Also, which country sent Hitler's family a commiseration telegram when he shot himself?
 
His beliefs are up to him but he's a hypocrite for making his living in the country he so despises.

And it's perfectly natural for the fans of the clubs he plays for, who are nationals of the country he so despises, to not think much of him in return.
 
Republican scum? Because he chose not to recognise or pay homage to a flag and anthem symbolic with oppression, imperialism and murder in his country.

Would you stand for the Nazi anthem and Swastika if it was played in an event you were at?

I thought it would be fairly obvious why McClean would not wear a poppy but that didn't stop ignorant people unleashing their hate on him.

Are you comparing GSTQ with the Horst Wessel lied? Stop, let's not go there because its a very unfortunate comparison. Internment was wrong but Irish babies were not gassed.

The anthem and flag to him might be a symbol of oppression but to us it is not. He is in this country it is incumbent upon him to understand this.

I get the poppy thing but it should have been communicated. No, it's not obvious to a non historical / political English person on his day off watching his favourite football club. Why the hell should it be? To us the poppy means something different than to James Mcclean it was the height of arrogance to not explain his decision to us. If he had I reckon the boos would have been drowned out by defiant support.
 
Republican scum? Because he chose not to recognise or pay homage to a flag and anthem symbolic with oppression, imperialism and murder in his country.

Would you stand for the Nazi anthem and Swastika if it was played in an event you were at?



I thought it would be fairly obvious why McClean would not wear a poppy but that didn't stop ignorant people unleashing their hate on him.

I respect his feelings and opinions on it, BUT if he feels that strongly why is he happy to play in england when there are so many other places he could play.

Or maybe he's happy to play in england because the big money suits him. He can't have it both ways, and shouldn't disrespect wba & anthems if he's happy to play here
 
Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley came together to help move Northern Ireland on for the better.

Prince Charles shook McGuinness hand despite what happened to his Uncle.

Yet McClean can't stand and pretend to show respect to a song.

McGuinness was in the IRA and Paisley was one of the most hate-filled bigots to ever walk this earth.

McClean is a football player who comes from a part of Ireland where British Imperialism impacted gravely upon, I think it's understandable that he can take such a stance. McClean is not the one making a big deal out of matters, he turned his back and stood silently in a pre-season game he probably didn't even know there was going to be any significant coverage of. It's intolerant people like you, who can't accept he may have understandable reasons to do what he did - whether right or wrong - that is the problem.
 
Your comparing the British National Anthem and Britain to Nazi Germany? Tell me James, as your so clued up on History, who fought on alone for a year against Germany. Also, which country sent Hitler's family a commiseration telegram when he shot himself?

You forgot to ask which country actively persecuted those who volunteered to fight against the Nazis for decades after the war.
 
It's not as if he started shouting vulgarities and making gestures when the anthem was played. He turned away from a flag and anthem that is symbolic with imperialism and violent oppression in his country and he bowed his head in silence. It's understandable and it's people who are out there wanting to get outraged that are the problem.
It's an anthem of the country of the club he's representing,you mightnt like it but don't disrepect it,it's about moving forward and to move forward you have to show others respect,by embrassing his club in the usa does nothing to build bridges,why couldn't he not just stand there and not sing it instead of trying to make some sort of point
 
It's not as if he started shouting vulgarities and making gestures when the anthem was played. He turned away from a flag and anthem that is symbolic with imperialism and violent oppression in his country and he bowed his head in silence. It's understandable and it's people who are out there wanting to get outraged that are the problem.
And how will that go down with the victims of the Birmingham bombings?

If he despises Britain so much he should have taken New York Red Bulls offer. He went out of his way to cause offense and to make a point.
 
This kid reminds me of the Rik Mayall character in The Young Ones. I half expect him to start banging on about how "Youd think Cliff Richard had never sang Devil Woman" at any minute.
Someone really should take his Gandhi and MalcolmX dvds away. Mebbes even hide his Mandella books anarl.
I think you're right about him, and I think kid is the way to describe him . I can't help having some respect for the idiots strength of conviction though . Having said that simply turning the head or examining the finger nails would have been enough.
More speculative, like in a lot of terrorist activity young people are also coerced and families are threatened by unscrupulous bad people (essentially political gangsters ) , who knows what unknown obligation he might be under too.
 
I respect his feelings and opinions on it, BUT if he feels that strongly why is he happy to play in england when there are so many other places he could play.

Or maybe he's happy to play in england because the big money suits him. He can't have it both ways, and shouldn't disrespect wba & anthems if he's happy to play here

That you will have to ask him, but it's a two way street, the Union Jack and God Save The Queen are very contentious to nationalist people and I can fully understand why McClean did what he did. It's the association for what they stand for in Ireland that makes it a problem, I don't think what he did was a big deal and I fully understand it - others don't but my view is that's because they don't understand their connotations in Ireland. Either way he was put in awkward position.
 
McGuinness was in the IRA and Paisley was one of the most hate-filled bigots to ever walk this earth.

McClean is a football player who comes from a part of Ireland where British Imperialism impacted gravely upon, I think it's understandable that he can take such a stance. McClean is not the one making a big deal out of matters, he turned his back and stood silently in a pre-season game he probably didn't even know there was going to be any significant coverage of. It's intolerant people like you, who can't accept he may have understandable reasons to do what he did - whether right or wrong - that is the problem.
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Four legs good - two legs bad.

You've missed my point completely:lol:
 
That you will have to ask him, but it's a two way street, the Union Jack and God Save The Queen are very contentious to nationalist people and I can fully understand why McClean did what he did. It's the association for what they stand for in Ireland that makes it a problem, I don't think what he did was a big deal and I fully understand it - others don't but my view is that's because they don't understand their connotations in Ireland. Either way he was put in awkward position.

He knew that before signing a big deal to play here. If his feelings & opinions are that strong then he had other options

Seems to me he has a problem when it suits him, but is quite happy to ignore it when it comes to his contract & money
 
And how will that go down with the victims of the Birmingham bombings?

If he despises Britain so much he should have taken New York Red Bulls offer. He went out of his way to cause offense and to make a point.

Any life lost is regrettable and the bombings on mainland Britain were wrong but you have to look at why Birmingham was bombed. Maybe it was because of British Imperialism and oppression in a foreign country where their armed forces undertook acts on violence on unarmed innocent civilians because of their religion or political leanings. You play with fire and you get burned and the British Government were responsible for bringing the violence and mayhem of a conflict on a foreign land to their own doorstep.

You still can't possibly accept that connotations that the Union Jack and God Save The Queen have for Irish Nationalists, particularly from where McClean grew up.
 
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