Is MoN right when he says


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Never wanted him in the first place and was baffled as to why he was so popular. Yes he was good last century, but then so was Howard Wilkinson...
 
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He was rubbish at villa & don't give that guff about him been a big Charlie Hurley fan

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Belarus 2 Eire 1 :lol:

He wasn't rubbish, but he was nowhere near as good as people on here would have you believe, and left them completely in the shit. The signs were there that he was past it and would fail here.

his villa spell was good. 6th three years running, now in the championship :lol::lol::lol:

2nd highest spenders in Europe, never got above top 6.

I'll leave you to do the maths.
 
You could say he was right because if we'd gone down he would have built a proper team & taken us back up as a proper team.

I'm glad weve got Ellis though. Because we're still in the league & we've got Big Sam.
 
He wasn't rubbish, but he was nowhere near as good as people on here would have you believe, and left them completely in the shit. The signs were there that he was past it and would fail here.



2nd highest spenders in Europe, never got above top 6.

I'll leave you to do the maths.
Any facts to back this statement up? He had them 4th in 09 but they bottled it.
 
That's bollocks mind.....Keane spent a net £62m in two seasons largely on unmitigated shite and just total this lot up on players signed subsequent to O'Neill leaving.....Altidore, Giaccherini, Bridcutt, Buckley, Scocco, Mavrias, Karlsson, Roberge, Diakite, Gomez, Jones, Matthews, Vergini, Coates, Ba, Cabral, Rodwell, Alvarez, Lens......probably somewhere around £60m plus wages, agents fees, signing on fees etc.

So it was worse before he came and far worse after he left.......the club had a net spend of £18m during his tenancy and if Johnson hadn't been such an arsehole we'd still have some residual value, say £8m from that period.



So how bad have our other PL managers been when he has the best record statistically of the last 10 years.
Keanes spend got us and kept us in the premier league not to mention it was his first job, I'd honestly say mons spend led to us playing the worst football I've ever seen and had us lerching towards relegation. Bruce for all the shite he rightfully gets for his spend at least gave us tenth and some of the best football since reidy.

Mons time we should've been we should've been pushing onwards but we've been hampered ever since due to wages of fletcher graham etc.
 
He played the most negative football I have ever seen. Remember 5 games without a shot on goal and Ba being our top scorer for October by scoring an own goal? I think if he had stayed we could have dropped through the leagues.

We had Ji, Wickham and Fletcher as strikers so he send the former two out on loan, brought in Danny Graham and then announced that Fletcher had been carrying an injury and would have to rest (or did he have an op?) for a while, leaving Graham as our lone striker. That has to be some of our worst business.
 
We didn't look likely to get another point when he left. The only time he seemed motivated was when the media questioned his ability live on TV.

Maybe he trusted the players to be professional without Robertson watching them. Maybe he didn't really know why he was successful in the first place.
 
But statistically he is still the best of the last 10 years and wasted less money than those who preceded him and those who followed him. In essence defending ANY of them is a bit disingenuous as the club has by and large been a shambles during our current 10 year run but O'Neill's time here is at least a match for any of the others who tried their hand.

Says more about how absolutely shit we've been rather than how good O'Neill is/was.

The minimal improvement on statistics in comparison with his contemporaries aside, the football was as bad as anything we've seen in the last ten years and his transfer record - pound for pound - was f***ing awful as well.
 
He wasn't rubbish, but he was nowhere near as good as people on here would have you believe, and left them completely in the shit. The signs were there that he was past it and would fail here.



2nd highest spenders in Europe, never got above top 6.

I'll leave you to do the maths.
2nd highest spenders in Europe when? I know he spent a few bob but hee surely didn't spend more than Chelsea, Madrid, barca, Man utd etc did he?
 
SUNDERLAND’S training schedule under O’Neill involved far too many days off.

One training-ground staff member was heard to remark he saw one local press man at the training ground more than he did some of the players, which is surely not conducive with success at Premier League level.



Class way to operate these days. :rolleyes:
 
Has no facts to back it up. :lol::lol:
He spent more than I thought having checked mind. Saying that barca, Madrid, Man City and Man utd all spent more in the 4 year period he was at villa so they certainly weren't the second biggest spenders in Europe during that period.

SUNDERLAND’S training schedule under O’Neill involved far too many days off.

One training-ground staff member was heard to remark he saw one local press man at the training ground more than he did some of the players, which is surely not conducive with success at Premier League level.



Class way to operate these days. :rolleyes:
Who heard this remark then? :lol: Still awaiting something concrete to substantiate these Chinese whispers.
 
He spent more than I thought having checked mind. Saying that barca, Madrid, Man City and Man utd all spent more in the 4 year period he was at villa so they certainly weren't the second biggest spenders in Europe during that period.


Who heard this remark then? :lol: Still awaiting something concrete to substantiate these Chinese whispers.
82 million net spend. :eek:
 
I know we have diametrically opposed views on O'Neill's time here mate but as I said earlier, statistically he's still our most successful PL manager since Reidy and until someone can categorically show me evidence that he wasn't undermined by the fella who had Short's ear at the time I'm happy to say he would have done ok here given time and no interference......but I accept that's not your take on things ;)
I think we have to apply Occam's razor here. The summer business was undoubtedly his own and the evidence suggests that the January ones were too. Now he clearly took the hump in the last few weeks due to RDFs arrival but he entirely brought that on himself. Besides, why would we lionise a man who was willing to see the club relegated because he wanted to maintain a pet lip? His win percentage was good but that is almost entirely because of the half season when he arrived and before he dithered and blundered his way through two transfer windows. The man was provided with the best opportunity to push on of any Safc regime in recent years and he failed. It's as simple as that.

Also, until you categorically show me evidence that MH370 didn't disappear because of aliens, that's what I'm gonna choose to believe ;)
 
'If I'd been given half a chance at Sunderland, I'd have succeeded.'
As reported by George Caulkin in an article today.
Fair comment or rose tinted specs?
I was one of those who loved Martin and dearly wanted him here and to be the one to really succeed but in hindsight he came in half hearted and ill prepared. When finally realised that he couldn't change things around, even if he did have the time he was taking the Club toward another relegation....The biggest mistake was not Bring john Robertson on board with him...If he had , thing might have been so much different. Its funny that if felt the way that he obviously does about his time he why did he not go out and take another job straight away to prove people wrong?
 
No, some of his signings were baffling, they were mostly overpriced, mostly huffy or useless, O'Neill looked lost without his second in command, tactics were hopeless, we looked like we were playing for a 1-0 defeat at times. Some of the worst football I have ever watched at any level. Soul destroying. Martin you're past it at club level.
This is my belief. John Robertson was sorely missed by O'Neill just like Cloughy greatly missed Peter Taylor and was less successful as a result.
 
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