Is MoN right when he says


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I find it strange how woefull the football was to watch under MO and Gus
We were told Big Sam would be a manager to regret due to his tactics.
Yeah Gus was arguably woefull, thinking he could bore the opposition to death, but MO wasn't far behind
He would have taken us down and not turning up for training was an immediate reason to show him the door.
 
Keanes spend got us and kept us in the premier league not to mention it was his first job, I'd honestly say mons spend led to us playing the worst football I've ever seen and had us lerching towards relegation. Bruce for all the shite he rightfully gets for his spend at least gave us tenth and some of the best football since reidy.

Mons time we should've been we should've been pushing onwards but we've been hampered ever since due to wages of fletcher graham etc.

Again, plenty of opinion but not backed up by facts. Keane spent £62m net in two seasons (we were the PL's top net spender during the £40m year) and he left us in the bottom three or four......there's no credit due for that imo.....spend like the league leaders and have a team in a relegation place. O'Neill only spent half of what Keane did and only signed four players, one of which scored 23 goals and contributed 20 assists during his time here.

What has really hampered us is the absolute dross signed subsequent to O'Neill leaving and I'm staggered you can't see that.

As I continually say I'm no apologist for Martin O'Neill......the first season was great under him and the second truly awful and he deserved to go BUT, saying he was the worst ever is flying in the face of statistics and credulity. He has the best win record of our current PL run and money was wasted on an industrial scale before and after him......they've ALL been bad and he was better than most of them....which is hardly a glowing reference however.
 
I find it strange how woefull the football was to watch under MO and Gus
We were told Big Sam would be a manager to regret due to his tactics.
Yeah Gus was arguably woefull, thinking he could bore the opposition to death, but MO wasn't far behind
He would have taken us down and not turning up for training was an immediate reason to show him the door.
Apparently him not turning up for training never happened according to the resident "experts" and is just a figment of our, the deluded fans, imagination :rolleyes:
 
I think we have to apply Occam's razor here. The summer business was undoubtedly his own and the evidence suggests that the January ones were too. Now he clearly took the hump in the last few weeks due to RDFs arrival but he entirely brought that on himself. Besides, why would we lionise a man who was willing to see the club relegated because he wanted to maintain a pet lip? His win percentage was good but that is almost entirely because of the half season when he arrived and before he dithered and blundered his way through two transfer windows. The man was provided with the best opportunity to push on of any Safc regime in recent years and he failed. It's as simple as that.

Also, until you categorically show me evidence that MH370 didn't disappear because of aliens, that's what I'm gonna choose to believe ;)

He did fail and I'm not defending him......only to say that I really don't understand him being singled out when it was as bad or worse before and much worse after.

Apparently him not turning up for training never happened according to the resident experts :rolleyes:

Can you prove he didn't?
 
first worrying sign for me was when he said in the summer that things wer different from when he was last in the game.

signed Cuellar on a free, got Saha just before the first game against Arsenal and then the other main signings came after (Johnson & Fletcher)

I think if Di Canio had not replaced him then we would have went down.
I (respectfully) disagree on both counts
 
Can you prove he did?

No, but you're suggesting that he didn't and having a chuckle at those who are sceptical. Logic would suggest that he turned up more than twice a week yet you still can't find a shred of evidence that he didn't.....surely it would be well documented.
 
He did fail and I'm not defending him......only to say that I really don't understand him being singled out when it was as bad or worse before and much worse after.
He's only being singled out because of the comment he made this week.

We'll all go back to blaming Bruce again once things have died down.
 
Again, plenty of opinion but not backed up by facts. Keane spent £62m net in two seasons (we were the PL's top net spender during the £40m year) and he left us in the bottom three or four......there's no credit due for that imo.....spend like the league leaders and have a team in a relegation place. O'Neill only spent half of what Keane did and only signed four players, one of which scored 23 goals and contributed 20 assists during his time here.

What has really hampered us is the absolute dross signed subsequent to O'Neill leaving and I'm staggered you can't see that.

As I continually say I'm no apologist for Martin O'Neill......the first season was great under him and the second truly awful and he deserved to go BUT, saying he was the worst ever is flying in the face of statistics and credulity. He has the best win record of our current PL run and money was wasted on an industrial scale before and after him......they've ALL been bad and he was better than most of them....which is hardly a glowing reference however.
Bit different us spending 40 million on a few players in a championship team, than Chelsea spending 40 million on one or two world class players.
The toon spent 80 million and went down, an entire nation relegated.
 
MON inherited a rubbishy squad, but did nothing to improve it (AJ apart). I was so disappointed it never worked out for us.
 
'If I'd been given half a chance at Sunderland, I'd have succeeded.'
As reported by George Caulkin in an article today.
Fair comment or rose tinted specs?

Tinted the players lost their energy and the we struggled to get rid of the the overprice and hyped players he brought in... the PL moved on he did not.
 
MON inherited a rubbishy squad, but did nothing to improve it (AJ apart). I was so disappointed it never worked out for us.

His first window had most of us thinking he'd done well.......and tbf Johnson was successful here and Fletcher had a fine first season. N'Diaye was shite but for some reason is still eulogised on here and Danny Graham was a complete misfit here.

That's two windows and not particularly good value for £30m although it was offset with £12m in sales.

As I keep saying the salient point is whether he was past it or whether he was undermined by whoever had Short's ear.

It did get a lot worse subsequently mind so pointing the finger at O'Neill seems to me like people have an agenda.
 
I (respectfully) disagree on both counts
You'd be in the minority I think. Impossible to prove either way but the evidence of our eyes says we were only heading in one direction under him.

We were one point above the relegation zone with only three points from the previous 8 games. Wigan were immediately below us, had a game in hand and had won 2 of the last 4. Fletcher was out for the rest of the season IIRC? Something had to change.

It did get a lot worse subsequently mind so pointing the finger at O'Neill seems to me like people have an agenda.
Again, it's only happening because he brought it up this week.
 
Tinted the players lost their energy and the we struggled to get rid of the the overprice and hyped players he brought in... the PL moved on he did not.

There was only two players man......Graham for the duration of his time here and Fletcher after his first successful season. That's maybe £80k/week (£4m)/year......that could have been absorbed no problem (and these players were still in and around the first team)......contrast that to the money we spent subsequently....that's truly what has crippled this club financially.

Again, it's only happening because he brought it up this week.

He's entitled to believe in his own abilities and we're entitled to our opinion on whether he was right......I disagreed with him and thought we were heading down but until we know ALL the relevant information surrounding his second season and the timing of the decision to implement a DOF system it's difficult to apportion blame exactly.
 
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Martin O'Neil got lucky at Leicester (in a Peter Reid(ish) sort of way. He then moved to safe bet Celtic where it would be difficult to fail. He then took his gentle bespectacled talents to Villa where cheque book management got them to the periphery of success, but in reality well short and at huge cost.

By the time this gentle, ineffectual uninspiring, in advanced middle aged man sat in the stands in the snow at Wolves, prior to his taking over, he was a busted flush, and he looked and sounded a busted flush.

He only turned up at the club 2 or 3 days a week, and this is only partly acceptable if results go well but "a sack deserving lack of commitment" if they don't
Everything about him screamed out "uninspiring and past it". FFS he even Let Pardolia bully him in public.

I was "DELIGHTED" when he got the necessary chop and I wouldn't have to listen to his meaningless cliché ridden overrated talk. He would have taken us down and no mistake.
 
Martin O'Neil got lucky at Leicester (in a Peter Reid(ish) sort of way. He then moved to safe bet Celtic where it would be difficult to fail. He then took his gentle bespectacled talents to Villa where cheque book management got them to the periphery of success, but in reality well short and at huge cost.

By the time this gentle, ineffectual uninspiring, in advanced middle aged man sat in the stands in the snow at Wolves, prior to his taking over, he was a busted flush, and he looked and sounded a busted flush.

He only turned up at the club 2 or 3 days a week, and this is only partly acceptable if results go well but "a sack deserving lack of commitment" if they don't
Everything about him screamed out "uninspiring and past it". FFS he even Let Pardolia bully him in public.

I was "DELIGHTED" when he got the necessary chop and I wouldn't have to listen to his meaningless cliché ridden overrated talk. He would have taken us down and no mistake.
Take it you don't like the bloke. Safe bet Celtic European cup final :lol:
Embarrassing some of the comments about MON on here.
 
He's entitled to believe in his own abilities and we're entitled to our opinion on whether he was right......I disagreed with him and thought we were heading down but until we know ALL the relevant information surrounding his second season and the timing of the decision to implement a DOF system it's difficult to apportion blame exactly.
He'd have to explain how he was denied "half a chance" given the money and time he had.

The only person who we know didn't give him that chance was Robertson and that was for family reasons.
 
Take it you don't like the bloke. Safe bet Celtic European cup final :lol:
Embarrassing some of the comments about MON on here.
Think it was Europe league final mate.

Not a huge achievement for a club who at the time were selling out 60,000 every game.

It's not a case of not "liking" him. I thought he was overrated from the start and he looked like a ready for retirement bank clerk by the time we got him
 
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