Is it really effing worth it?

Harry Angstrom said:
No, controlled burn of virus in society. Very much against the draconian lockdowns but also against a free for all.

If in the summer people weren't allowed to travel abroad and rule of six was in place then we could have enjoyed a decent year the same amount of deaths, which is acceptable in my eyes.


People have had enough and are happy to risk it. Anyone who isn't can be ultra cautious.
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Thank you, and my apologies. I agree with your main point, but, these so called lockdowns were put in place due to people either being incapable of or refusing to follow guidance. I’m reluctant to call them draconian as comparatively they were anything but.
 


redandwhiterob said:
Some people have got nobody mate and never had during this whole pandemic. Nobody to keep company, nobody to bounce off when feeling down, nobody to talk to. It's all about striking a balance. Nobody is been forced to do anything. This 5 day lifting could do people the world of good as we head into the new year where restrictions will be back in place no matter what we do at Christmas. Mentally a 5 day slight lifting of restrictions will do thousands upon thousands or people the world of good without having been made to feel like criminals. Youd think they were dragging the vulnerable from there homes with some of the hysteria you see knocking about here and other parts if social media. It feels like some people are a step or two away from calling for people to be put on trial for murder
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On the other hand it will also likely end up killing 'thousands and thousands' of people.
 
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rubberface said:
..you don't think people won't be having mass parties? Naive if you don't think so mate. People will be going door to door once the drink starts flowing. Recipe for disaster.
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Anyone that reckless would have been ignoring any restrictions anyway imo
addicted_to_safc said:
On the other hand it will also likely kill 'thousands and thousands' of people.
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Sending people back out to work and school has undoubtedly killed thousands and thousands. Do you think we should be under the same lockdown we were under March-July?
 
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rubberface said:
..you don't think people won't be having mass parties? Naive if you don't think so mate. People will be going door to door once the drink starts flowing. Recipe for disaster.
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After what we’ve seen throughout this, I think some people are going to do it anyway, whether Boris says it’s ok or not. In my opinion that’s why he’s done what he’s done. All I hope is that there’s not a massive spike because of it further down the line and a lot of people die needlessly for the sake of a couple of days. When all’s said and done it’s largely up to the individual. Doesn’t make it right but that’s where we find ourselves.
 
Dilligaf60 said:
After what we’ve seen throughout this, I think some people are going to do it anyway, whether Boris says it’s ok or not. In my opinion that’s why he’s done what he’s done. All I hope is that there’s not a massive spike because of it further down the line and a lot of people die needlessly for the sake of a couple of days. When all’s said and done it’s largely up to the individual. Doesn’t make it right but that’s where we find ourselves.
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Guarantee you will get people when they have been drinking will venture to places they would otherwise never to see people they haven't seen for months. Of course there's going to be a massive spike...then people will moan about this 5 days easing of restrictions. Hope i'm totally wrong.
 
rubberface said:
Guarantee you will get people when they have been drinking will venture to places they would otherwise never to see people they haven't seen for months. Of course there's going to be a massive spike...then people will moan about this 5 days easing of restrictions. Hope i'm totally wrong.
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Aye so do I but.........
 
redandwhiterob said:
Sending people back out to work and school has undoubtedly killed thousands and thousands. Do you think we should be under the same lockdown we were under March-July?
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No of course I don't, some things need to carry on despite the risks. People need to go to work and kids need their education. Families mixing indoors over Christmas does not need to happen.
I just think it's a crazy idea and a massive risk to peoples lives, especially when a vaccine is (hopefully) so close.
 
addicted_to_safc said:
No of course I don't, some things need to carry on despite the risks. People need to go to work and kids need their education. Families mixing indoors over Christmas does not need to happen.
I just think it's a crazy idea and a massive risk to peoples lives, especially when a vaccine is (hopefully) so close.
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For some people it might help them get through this though. You like me felt a huge weight lifted off there shoulders when children went back to school. For another people that little bit contact over a day or two could be the difference in them coming out of this on the other side. It's all about finding a balance and as I keep saying nobody is forced to do anything. People handle things differently, people can get by without seeing anyone which is fair enough. They will be other people out there really struggling. If they so wish let them take advantage of this 5 day window without having to feel like a criminal
 
MonkeyLove said:
Now the official rules are out just had a conversation with my wife and we basically agreed regardless of the rules at most we will spend a bit of time with family outside to exchange presents.

We would like nothing more then to let our 2 children see their grandparents. For one it’s their 1st Christmas. But grandparents are between 68 and 74 and one other family member has underlying conditions.

If the vaccine was never coming or 4 or 5 years off we might have a different view but all indications are it’s just around the corner.

If it’s effective then hopefully the wider family and grandparents can have 10-20 more years with them.

It’s everyone’s personal choice but the tragic reality is simple statistics suggest that for a number of people mixing at Christmas will inevitably pass on Covid to vulnerable relatives who die and they may well have to live with the thought that had they just waited a few more months until the vaccine but for a couple of days they could have had many more years with them. I couldn’t live with myself knowing that.

If wider family is very frail or ill and may not see next year I can understand it. But even Covid deniers accept older people are at risk and I can’t understand why anyone would roll the dice with vulnerable family for the sake of one or two days.
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whilst I get what your saying surely its down to people's personal choice the saddest thing about this whole fiasco apart from the actual deaths if they way people have went on with each other arguing over this and that....quite frankly its no ones f***ing business what joe bloggs and his family are doing.

if you don't want to mix with yours great if that makes you feel safe and makes you think your keeping your family safe then again great, if however Fred wants to have a big family meal with his family because maybe he doesn't think the risks are worth it then that's Freds business and he shouldn't be made guilty for it either.
 
rubberface said:
..you don't think people won't be having mass parties? Naive if you don't think so mate. People will be going door to door once the drink starts flowing. Recipe for disaster.
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Spot on..be the same people who caused the Saltgrass to be fined..the same people who we’re congregating outside P’s + Q’s..same people who caused Ryhope Cricket Club..The Cavalier and the Golden Fleece to be closed..Xmas is 4 weeks away and 600+ people died of Covid yesterday..am I missing something here??
 
Cheesy Feet said:
Spot on..be the same people who caused the Saltgrass to be fined..the same people who we’re congregating outside P’s + Q’s..same people who caused Ryhope Cricket Club..The Cavalier and the Golden Fleece to be closed..Xmas is 4 weeks away and 600+ people died of Covid yesterday..am I missing something here??
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Can't disagree mate.👍 I was astounded they announced this yesterday about lockdown restrictions then....."oh by the way 600+ people have died due to Covid, the biggest total since May"🙈🙈 ..but 5 days restrictions on the way, enjoy.🕺🕺🕺
 
Imagine the history books on COVID 19 man.

"One month before a vaccine was ready to be rolled out the UK government decided to let everyone have a Jolly (safe) knees up which resulted in xxxxxxx extra deaths"

f***ing barking mad.
 
I’m no fan of rolling lockdowns but I do understand the occasional need for them. This Christmas thing is absolutely mental though and I think it’ll be the first time ever in my life I won’t spend it with me Mam and dad. Sad but it’s just not right this time. Can’t actually believe it’s been given the green light with all the evidence pointing towards more cases, more deaths, more lockdowns.
 
ravydavygravy said:
Imagine the history books on COVID 19 man.

"One month before a vaccine was ready to be rolled out the UK government decided to let everyone have a Jolly (safe) knees up which resulted in xxxxxxx extra deaths"

f***ing barking mad.
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Makes you wonder if there’s been a sting in the tail regarding the vaccine.
 
0321safc said:
Makes you wonder if there’s been a sting in the tail regarding the vaccine.
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Somethings made them lose their minds.

From today:

Prof Andrew Hayward, director of the UCL Institute of Epidemiology and Health Care, and a member of the government's Sage committee, told BBC Newsnight that allowing families to meet up over Christmas amounted to "throwing fuel on the Covid fire".
He said it would "definitely lead to increase[d] transmission and likely lead to third wave of infections with hospitals being overrun, and more unnecessary deaths."
Prof Hayward said while you cannot ban Christmas, he called for clearer messaging to families about the "dangers" of socialising and inter-generational mixing.
 
redandwhiterob said:
For some people it might help them get through this though. You like me felt a huge weight lifted off there shoulders when children went back to school. For another people that little bit contact over a day or two could be the difference in them coming out of this on the other side. It's all about finding a balance and as I keep saying nobody is forced to do anything. People handle things differently, people can get by without seeing anyone which is fair enough. They will be other people out there really struggling. If they so wish let them take advantage of this 5 day window without having to feel like a criminal
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I've struggled really bad. I only live with my disabled daughter and autistic son, one can't talk at all and the other just goes on and on about computer games. I don't see my Mam and Dad or any family despite them living close by, I really miss them but need to keep them safe. It's been an absolute nightmare and still is but I'd prefer what family I have left to be here for many future Christmas's rather than just this one.
I'll never ever agree that restrictions should have been lifted over Christmas but don't want to argue so I'll just leave it at that.
 
Having read the posts in this thread I can see some have a somewhat cavalier attitude to the rules and some are very concerned at the possible/probable impact of relaxing them.

I think the assumption Boris has made, in that people understand the risks, will make their own assessments and act accordingly, is perhaps an assumption too far for some.

I'm sure many, like me, will weigh up the risks and possible outcomes, both negative and positive, and act accordingly. Some will of course take full advantage and act in a manner likely to increase infection rates, hopefully a small minority.

The impact of lockdowns and restrictions on the nations mental health should not be underestimated, one wonders if that has played a part in the relaxation of the rules.
 
The way I'm looking at is if there was a jumbo jet full of people crashing every day, would I get on one. Would I hell. Especially if there was a fix round the corner and I could delay my holiday.
 

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