Is 1% rise in NHS enough?

[Gillythedilf]

Yes

The country’s on its knees financially and people with Govt jobs regardless of what it is need to realise that we are all in this together.

 

[Keawyeds]

Isn't the thread on the Politics board enough?

Nope

 

[Gaz]

Of course it's not enough.. the question shoudm be how much is enough. Supposedly about 500m per percentage point rise.. the way we have spent and conscious of purse strings being tight I think a 4% would have appeased most

i don’t think it even needed that tbh. If they said we’ll pay you the 2.1% promised and look at / discuss a new 3 year pay deal starting in 2022 most would have accepted it

 

[PTR]

1% is derisory, the 12% they want is unaffordable

Somewhere in the middle is about £100 a month for an average nurse.
Which reduces by £20 to income tax, £12 to NI and £11 to pension payments - so ends up as £57 a month pay rise if they get about a 5% rise.

Seems fairly reasonable to me. £15 a week is hardly out buying Ferraris, but also not a slap in the face.

 

[Butcher's Coat]

No.
It's derisory and totally insulting.
The country would have been up in arms 10 months if they tried that - but now the end is in sight, the Tories think they can get away with offering the bare minimum.

Jus to put things in perspective - Johnson's pal Dido Harding has been on absolute mega bucks for doing sweet FA with phuck all results- that is unforgivable - but people don't seem to realise this.

 

[Fletch]

They were promised 2.1 % and that should be honoured , no wonder it wasn’t announced budget day

 

[DoctorMick]

No. Thankfullly this government have a history of backtracking as soon as public opinion goes against them.

 

[Big Jeff]

As in title - what do folk think?

no

 

[dangermows]

Has any thick knacker said there isn't enough money and stupidly compared it to a household budget yet?

 

[bobster999]

As in title - what do folk think?

A nurse has just qualified and is on £24,214.

She would now get £4.67 per week extra. Terrible.

 

[cornish mackem]

They won't strike. At least, not doctors or nurses. Especially not nurses.

I wouldn’t bank on it. I’m hearing people who were never vocal about stuff like this are now very vocal
Everyone has a saturation point and for many, it was already reached

If they hadn’t spent £30bn on track and trace they could’ve doubled the staffing and all given them a pay rise

The tories giving a pay rise and increase staffing

 

[soapster]

there are a number off issues that are uncomfortable for me. Should they get extra, I would agree, but how much and how.
I also have issues as to why are nurses being singled out for the extra. They have just a 12% pay rise over the last 3 years. a nurse in he 6th year gets £34000 a year. Still deserve something though.
How would that sit with other public sector workers who worked in the front line. Bin men and other council workers, armed forces, firefighters, school workers and police. it could be argued that a lot of personnel come into contact with the public and could and have caught covid.
perhaps a one off payment, but would that be thrown back in their faces £500 (what scottish gov is giving) is that all my life is worth.
it is clear unions and labour party are just picking a fight. why should the LP just shout about nurses / nhs and ignore the other public sector workers who will receive no increase.

 

[Spike]

there are a number off issues that are uncomfortable for me. Should they get extra, I would agree, but how much and how.
I also have issues as to why are nurses being singled out for the extra. They have just a 12% pay rise over the last 3 years. a nurse in he 6th year gets £34000 a year. Still deserve something though.
How would that sit with other public sector workers who worked in the front line. Bin men and other council workers, armed forces, firefighters, school workers and police. it could be argued that a lot of personnel come into contact with the public and could and have caught covid.
perhaps a one off payment, but would that be thrown back in their faces £500 (what scottish gov is giving) is that all my life is worth.
it is clear unions and labour party are just picking a fight. why should the LP just shout about nurses / nhs and ignore the other public sector workers who will receive no increase.

what do you mean nurses in 6th year gets 34000? Band 5, the start point for nurses, after 6-7 years the salary increases to 30615 a year from just 27416 - think about that a staff nurse 5 years and 11 months out from their training only pulls a (basic) salary of 27416!

34k is within the band 6 bracket and you don’t automatically jump up into the next band ever, you always have to be recruited into a post at a given band. I do realise with shift allowances band 5s will pull a bit more than the headline figure but many nurses work in the community 9-5 and will be on that basic figure and many are women with young families, work part time etc

nurses are being singled out for the extra pay because of the level of skill that is demanded of the profession, nurse training is rigorous (academically, physically, emotionally, practically when you consider full time placements 50% of the time inhibits the ability to work in a bar or a shop like other students do to make ends meet financially), and it has been degree level for quite a while now with the expectation of continuous learning and study

i think it’s a bit crass to say labour and unions are picking a fight like, it is deeper than the fact we have (I am a nurse) had to contend with covid.

the problem, for me at least, is that when I set out to be a nurse in 2009/2010 when I was doing my a levels, I saw my family members in the profession who have done well for themselves and lived a certain lifestyle, holidays, decent houses, earlyish retirement...

That hope I had for myself was largely eroded by the time I had qualified in 2015 (with a gap year along the way). I have spent the last 6 years struggling financially in comparison to my older family members. I am now in the fortunate position to have moved up to band 7 recently (my salary is 38890 flat, I work 9-5 so no overtime), and I am by no means struggling now but I am technically a highly specialised practitioner now, an expert as it were, I’ve not stopped studying since I qualified in 2015 and can’t credit the government with my recent rise to relative financial comfort. Many colleagues I work with, particularly the band 5s who have kids (which is most of them) live in shithole rented accommodation (I do too), survive on beans on toast, can’t afford a holiday, live on credit cards etc. The reality is that someone in a different field with comparable academic ability, work ethic, competence etc would not be in the same situation financially and it’s no longer acceptable in my opinion

 

[Squat]

I mean, if they didn't spunk millions ensuring their mates were well looked after...

you've mistyped billions mate

 

[arthursboy]

It’s an insult.

 

[Big Toe]

what do you mean nurses in 6th year gets 34000? Band 5, the start point for nurses, after 6-7 years the salary increases to 30615 a year from just 27416 - think about that a staff nurse 5 years and 11 months out from their training only pulls a (basic) salary of 27416!

34k is within the band 6 bracket and you don’t automatically jump up into the next band ever, you always have to be recruited into a post at a given band. I do realise with shift allowances band 5s will pull a bit more than the headline figure but many nurses work in the community 9-5 and will be on that basic figure and many are women with young families, work part time etc

nurses are being singled out for the extra pay because of the level of skill that is demanded of the profession, nurse training is rigorous (academically, physically, emotionally, practically when you consider full time placements 50% of the time inhibits the ability to work in a bar or a shop like other students do to make ends meet financially), and it has been degree level for quite a while now with the expectation of continuous learning and study

i think it’s a bit crass to say labour and unions are picking a fight like, it is deeper than the fact we have (I am a nurse) had to contend with covid.

the problem, for me at least, is that when I set out to be a nurse in 2009/2010 when I was doing my a levels, I saw my family members in the profession who have done well for themselves and lived a certain lifestyle, holidays, decent houses, earlyish retirement...

That hope I had for myself was largely eroded by the time I had qualified in 2015 (with a gap year along the way). I have spent the last 6 years struggling financially in comparison to my older family members. I am now in the fortunate position to have moved up to band 7 recently (my salary is 38890 flat, I work 9-5 so no overtime), and I am by no means struggling now but I am technically a highly specialised practitioner now, an expert as it were, I’ve not stopped studying since I qualified in 2015 and can’t credit the government with my recent rise to relative financial comfort. Many colleagues I work with, particularly the band 5s who have kids (which is most of them) live in shithole rented accommodation (I do too), survive on beans on toast, can’t afford a holiday, live on credit cards etc. The reality is that someone in a different field with comparable academic ability, work ethic, competence etc would not be in the same situation financially and it’s no longer acceptable in my opinion

Well said. But, have you thought about paying your credit card off by clapping down the phone to them? I believe this will be perfectly acceptable.

 

[Ciro_DiMarzio]

The more I think about it the more annoyed I get. This should have been a priority in the budget above everything else. The government not realising the bad PR this would bring is amazing.

 

[Roaring Chubby]

what do you mean nurses in 6th year gets 34000? Band 5, the start point for nurses, after 6-7 years the salary increases to 30615 a year from just 27416 - think about that a staff nurse 5 years and 11 months out from their training only pulls a (basic) salary of 27416!

34k is within the band 6 bracket and you don’t automatically jump up into the next band ever, you always have to be recruited into a post at a given band. I do realise with shift allowances band 5s will pull a bit more than the headline figure but many nurses work in the community 9-5 and will be on that basic figure and many are women with young families, work part time etc

nurses are being singled out for the extra pay because of the level of skill that is demanded of the profession, nurse training is rigorous (academically, physically, emotionally, practically when you consider full time placements 50% of the time inhibits the ability to work in a bar or a shop like other students do to make ends meet financially), and it has been degree level for quite a while now with the expectation of continuous learning and study

i think it’s a bit crass to say labour and unions are picking a fight like, it is deeper than the fact we have (I am a nurse) had to contend with covid.

the problem, for me at least, is that when I set out to be a nurse in 2009/2010 when I was doing my a levels, I saw my family members in the profession who have done well for themselves and lived a certain lifestyle, holidays, decent houses, earlyish retirement...

That hope I had for myself was largely eroded by the time I had qualified in 2015 (with a gap year along the way). I have spent the last 6 years struggling financially in comparison to my older family members. I am now in the fortunate position to have moved up to band 7 recently (my salary is 38890 flat, I work 9-5 so no overtime), and I am by no means struggling now but I am technically a highly specialised practitioner now, an expert as it were, I’ve not stopped studying since I qualified in 2015 and can’t credit the government with my recent rise to relative financial comfort. Many colleagues I work with, particularly the band 5s who have kids (which is most of them) live in shithole rented accommodation (I do too), survive on beans on toast, can’t afford a holiday, live on credit cards etc. The reality is that someone in a different field with comparable academic ability, work ethic, competence etc would not be in the same situation financially and it’s no longer acceptable in my opinion

Got to be honest mate, this post reads like you are very money orientated and choosing a career in something that has had pay complaints associated with it for as long as I can remember sounds a bit foolish.
Also, as you are on 39k after being qualified for 5 years it doesn’t sound like you have had a bad ride. Ask most graduates what they earn after 5 years and I’d be surprised if the majority are on 39k+.

 

[Spike]

Got to be honest mate, this post reads like you are very money orientated and choosing a career in something that has had pay complaints associated with it for as long as I can remember sounds a bit foolish.
Also, as you are on 39k after being qualified for 5 years it doesn’t sound like you have had a bad ride. Ask most graduates what they earn after 5 years and I’d be surprised if the majority are on 39k+.

its a debate about pay though?

not saying I’m hard done by at all now please don’t get me wrong. like I say though I’ve been at uni since I qualified without coming up for air to get into this position. Like my post highlighted, lots (most) who haven’t done that will find themselves on 27-30k at the same point

I don’t think anyone comes into nursing for the money though. I’ve got pals in engineering, sales etc who have stuck in and earn way above what I get for what appears to be similar effort

I think the issue, again just in my view, is that the low pay is now a factor in recruitment/retention as well as overall morale. That’s just my experience though

for the record I think it should be somewhere in the middle between 1% and 12% what we actually get

 

[Frijj]

there are a number off issues that are uncomfortable for me. Should they get extra, I would agree, but how much and how.
I also have issues as to why are nurses being singled out for the extra. They have just a 12% pay rise over the last 3 years. a nurse in he 6th year gets £34000 a year. Still deserve something though.
How would that sit with other public sector workers who worked in the front line. Bin men and other council workers, armed forces, firefighters, school workers and police. it could be argued that a lot of personnel come into contact with the public and could and have caught covid.
perhaps a one off payment, but would that be thrown back in their faces £500 (what scottish gov is giving) is that all my life is worth.
it is clear unions and labour party are just picking a fight. why should the LP just shout about nurses / nhs and ignore the other public sector workers who will receive no increase.

Those figures are not true. No nurse is automatically on £34k after 6 years, least not in England, and nurses start on Band 5, which tops out at £30k after 7 years
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additionally that 12% was not for all nurses