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TopCat said:
Even then I'm not sure you can risk picking him. Twice in the last 18 months he's been asked to be left out.
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That’s not what has happened likr

He had a pre arranged break for these 2 tests

Like Buttler, bairstow and wood

They asked him to stay in but he was already going back

He’s just done what Buttler did

The rotation policy is awful but he’s not doing anything the other players haven’t done so it shouldn’t been labeled as that
 

brandon said:
Last summer against Pakistan.

Everytime in the recent past where we’ve hosted India.


Dukes cricket balls have been in use since 1760, we use them because we’ve always used them and because they’re the best cricket balls in the world.

Plenty of Aussies have made a case for Australian cricket using a Duke ball whereas I’ve never known anyone suggest we should use a Kookaburra.

I love the Duke ball because when conditions permit, it can offer something for the bowlers (of all sides) for all of its 80 over lifespan. The Kookaburra does fuckall once it’s about 12 overs old.

I’m fairly sure touring teams would sort their own travel and accommodation like. Even if they don’t, it isn’t like we’ll be putting teams up in the Villa Bella :lol:
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Touring teams don’t sort their own stuff - the host teams are obligated to arrange it. Has been the reciprocal agreement in place for as long as I can remember.

The dukes ball might be best, but it also advantages us. Hence we use it. These decisions aren’t based on tradition or entertainment, they’re based on competitive advantage. If we could win more home games with another ball we’d take the other ball. It’s no different to other teams choosing their ball or their pitches.

Any team would roll us out on a green top. Our batting is horrendous when the ball moves. Having a green top would definitely not benefit us. Only way we can compete is to have a flat pitch and beat them through the lavish swing Jimmy and others will find in English conditions. That is our “home advantage” at the moment. Sure 10 years ago with cook, bell, Strauss, trott, etc., we’d have backed ourselves to outbat anyone on a green top and we prepared our fair share of them, but not nowadays.
 
smoker said:
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Stokes averages 48 at five, he has to bat there!
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Oh, no doubt he scores well from there but I still see him as a 6.
Jack Torrance said:
He isn’t bowling. You could make a case he bats at 3 for the final 2 tests if he isn’t gonna bowl much
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Yeah, can’t disagree.

My main point around him being a 6 was because we miss him as a bowler. I didn’t realise how little he’d bowled lately.

Just a fitness thing or a look to the future to protect him?
 
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Got to think that's it for Moeen as a test cricketer
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I get the impression Moeen is battling with mental health issues on top of his form. As someone who has experienced stress, anxiety and depression lockdown has been a nightmare. You feel trapped between doing a stressful job with stressed out people or sat staring at the walls if you take a break. I wish him all the best but can't see him playing test cricket again as you say.
 
smoker said:
I get the impression Moeen is battling with mental health issues on top of his form. As someone who has experienced stress, anxiety and depression lockdown has been a nightmare. You feel trapped between doing a stressful job with stressed out people or sat staring at the walls if you take a break. I wish him all the best but can't see him playing test cricket again as you say.
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i suffer that too mate but that’s not what has happened at all.

see my post above

this was a pre arranged time slot off, just like Buttler, bairstow, wood and Curran

I’m not sure why it’s been labeled as anything else by England, not really fair on Ali

he had a good test

He was our highest wicket taker and run scorer

he will play again
 
smoker said:
I get the impression Moeen is battling with mental health issues on top of his form. As someone who has experienced stress, anxiety and depression lockdown has been a nightmare. You feel trapped between doing a stressful job with stressed out people or sat staring at the walls if you take a break. I wish him all the best but can't see him playing test cricket again as you say.
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As the Rat said.

This was prearranged by the ECB just liked Buttler Bairstow wood and Curran

All players who will be in the squad and likely the side for the world cup
 
smoker said:
I get the impression Moeen is battling with mental health issues on top of his form. As someone who has experienced stress, anxiety and depression lockdown has been a nightmare. You feel trapped between doing a stressful job with stressed out people or sat staring at the walls if you take a break. I wish him all the best but can't see him playing test cricket again as you say.
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I think we are underestimating what touring teams have to go through outside of the game itself. All of the bubbling, social distancing, isolating, etc., really cannot be easy on your head, and especially if you’re having a bad time in the game it must really fuck with you. I don’t think the rotation policy is ideal but I kind of agree it’s essential otherwise the players would all breakdown in a few months and wouldn’t be seen again
 
The Rat said:
:lol: I make stuff up?

after your rambling lies about the duke ball?
Jesus wept the irony :lol:
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Yes the dukes ball that England choose to use that gives them a great advantage in home conditions. At no stage did I ever dispute that England have always used it just simply said they could choose any ball but choose the one that gives them the biggest advantage. Joe Root has been advocating using the kookaburra in all forms of first class cricket in England because he feels it will benefit our young cricketers but not in test matches. A better poster (in fact someone did) disagreed with that line of argument saying that's a massive leap comparing it to preparing pitches but theres not a single lie anywhere just an opinion.

Again where the lies - not a single one. You just throw the liar card around to anyone that ever challenges you in a discussion because you don't have the emotional intelligence to debate rationally.
 
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rentaghost said:
Yes the dukes ball that England choose to use that gives them a great advantage in home conditions. At no stage did I ever dispute that England have always used it just simply said they could choose any ball but choose the one that gives them the biggest advantage. Joe Root has been advocating using the kookaburra in all forms of first class cricket in England because he feels it will benefit our young cricketers but not in test matches. A better poster (in fact someone did) disagreed with that line of argument saying that's a massive leap comparing it to preparing pitches but theres not a single lie anywhere just an opinion.

Again where the lies - not a single one. You just throw the liar card around to anyone that ever challenges you in a discussion because you don't have the emotional intelligence to debate rationally.
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:lol::lol::lol:

here we ago again with your total and utter lies

Jesus wept man, you're literally lying. :lol:

you do realise when you make stuff up people are gonna call you out on it? like you do realise thats what happens in life?

Or are you going for thr Donald Trump tactics?

Just spent the last 4 days criticise fans despite you didnt even watch the match :lol:
 
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The Rat said:
Mo Ali going home :lol:

Utter farce this series. At ni point are we playing our best team

all resting up ahead of the irrelevant t20 series

im losing interest in fast to be honest
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Fully agree, farce is right - went 1-0 up in India, great opportunity to win away from home and they’ve completely fucked around with selection.
rentaghost said:
No :lol: on average I probably saw just over 2 sessions per day but didn’t see that either. If all those things happened and they were all deliberate then fair enough. I didn’t see it though and haven’t seen any hint of cheating in any media outlet at all. In fact not even a hint that his behaviour has been poor.
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Well, respectfully, if you’ve barely seen any of the game, I don’t think you can reasonably comment either way on whether or not it’s cheating.

Perhaps also you need to expand your media outlets, because as @smoker said - plenty of prominent cricket people have mentioned it.
 
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The Rat said:
Mo Ali going home :lol:

Utter farce this series. At ni point are we playing our best team

all resting up ahead of the irrelevant t20 series

im losing interest in fast to be honest
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Hey your up beat mood didn't last long this time last week you loved test cricket more than Sunderland with all its various challenges.
 
The Rat said:
:lol::lol::lol:

here we ago again with your total and utter lies

Jesus wept man, you're literally lying. what a freak. :lol:

you do realise when you make stuff up people are gonna call you out on it? like you do realise thats what happens in life?

Or are you going for thr Donald Trump tactics?

Just spent the last 4 days criticise fans despite you didnt even watch the match :lol:
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How are they lies?

It's a bit of an opinion mixed with fact.

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SAFC 2012 said:
Neither are they. It happens
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yes they are

they sending Ashwin home for 2 tests like?
mackembhoy said:
How are they lies?

It's a bit of an opinion mixed with fact.

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It’s a complete lie

we’ve always played with duke balls

Oz changed because the bell broke up there

we don’t play in Australia

you do know the kookaburra ball isn’t used in India or West Indies

he’s talking utter shit

after slagging England off for a week in a game he didn’t even watch

he lacks emotional intelligence
 
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brandon said:
Fully agree, farce is right - went 1-0 up in India, great opportunity to win away from home and they’ve completely fucked around with selection.


Well, respectfully, if you’ve barely seen any of the game, I don’t think you can reasonably comment either way on whether or not it’s cheating.

Perhaps also you need to expand your media outlets, because as @smoker said - plenty of prominent cricket people have mentioned it.
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There's a difference between Pieterson, Thorpe, Waugh and co saying the pitch was poor (David lloyd did also which Smoker didnt mention)- I have seen those also and dont even disagree with them. None of those are claiming that India have cheated just prepared a poor pitch for test match cricket.

With regards to not watching much cricket - ive seen more than two thirds of it and only ever said from what I have seen I havent seen anything that could be seen as cheating and haven't seen it anywhere other than on social media. That's not to say you are wrong just that i havent seen the incidents you saw.
 
Didn’t watch today, but my observations from what I did watch

The pitch - didn’t fall apart as much as it looked like it would after day 1. I don’t think it’s a good test match pitch at all, but it’s probably not as bad as the press it has got.

The umpires - no real issue with the on field ones, the third umpire was poor. Very poor. Seemed to want to find the evidence to justify an Indian decision.

the batting - dreadful. Really poor application. Whilst we have seemingly some options these days, there are a number that need a score.

the bowling - Stone did really well, and Leach has cemented his place. Rest wasn’t great

the keeping - enjoyed watching Foakes. Let’s not debate whether he keeps his place for long, but he was fun to watch standing up. (His knock in the first innings was the best I saw us bat too)

Kohli - needs attention. There is a fine line between passion/home crowds etc, and berating the umpires. He has gone too far

the selection - bizarre. But probably wouldn’t have made a difference sadly. Those that came in actually did pretty well. The selection of Modern, now going home, looks like a “thanks for coming, play a test for your troubles”, in hindsight

Thoroughly outplayed, whilst the pitch and third umpire can raise heckles let’s not pretend we competed
 
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