I'm hearing some things which don't bode well for our season..


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We've been through some shite but I can honestly say I've never seen him as down as I seen him in that interview.....he looked heartbroken and you don't see many modern day players look the way he did at full time on Saturday. Id say he's one of the few who we have who really do give a shite Pickford being another. Do you think Moyes has lost the dressing room?

Very eerily similarities between us and McLaren last season, the whole him saying judge us after 10 games well 6 points after 10 was shite, then it was judge us after 18 and by that time we all knew where we were headed.

Whether Moyes has lost the dressing room or not is not the main issue the main issue is the distinct lack of premier league quality in that squad. The horrific recruitment system, the serious mismanagement both on and off the field, losing money hand over fist despite the lucrative TV money pouring in. I have no doubt whatsoever where you will finish this season and it certainly isn't above the safety line. What happens after that is anyones guess but you certainly aren't in as healthy or stable position as we are now to mount a return. Many on here think the championship is a piece of piss and that your squad as it is now will romp that league. Some people are in for a very rude awakening
 
If the players are squabbling amongst themselves they need to get a grip. They're professionals ffs and get paid handsomely. They need to take some f***ing responsibility.
it happens in every walk of life, but ultimately the manager needs to sort it, one way or another
 
Very eerily similarities between us and McLaren last season, the whole him saying judge us after 10 games well 6 points after 10 was shite, then it was judge us after 18 and by that time we all knew where we were headed.

Whether Moyes has lost the dressing room or not is not the main issue the main issue is the distinct lack of premier league quality in that squad. The horrific recruitment system, the serious mismanagement both on and off the field, losing money hand over fist despite the lucrative TV money pouring in. I have no doubt whatsoever where you will finish this season and it certainly isn't above the safety line. What happens after that is anyones guess but you certainly aren't in as healthy or stable position as we are now to mount a return. Many on here think the championship is a piece of piss and that your squad as it is now will romp that league. Some people are in for a very rude awakening
And a lot of us are under no illusion that this team would struggle in the championship.
 
Very eerily similarities between us and McLaren last season, the whole him saying judge us after 10 games well 6 points after 10 was shite, then it was judge us after 18 and by that time we all knew where we were headed.

Whether Moyes has lost the dressing room or not is not the main issue the main issue is the distinct lack of premier league quality in that squad. The horrific recruitment system, the serious mismanagement both on and off the field, losing money hand over fist despite the lucrative TV money pouring in. I have no doubt whatsoever where you will finish this season and it certainly isn't above the safety line. What happens after that is anyones guess but you certainly aren't in as healthy or stable position as we are now to mount a return. Many on here think the championship is a piece of piss and that your squad as it is now will romp that league. Some people are in for a very rude awakening
Rewind a year.

We employed Allardyce. You failed to act. Who stayed up?

It's that simple, we fail to act now and we'll head the same way. Change it and we've got a slim chance (again). Whether we could be lucky three times would remain to be seen.
 
Can't reveal source but there's in-fighting among players, others are behind schedule to return and the manager looks like a dead man walking apparently.

So it doesn't look good for any short or even medium term improvement. Looks like this may well be the year...we already have very little margin for error and from what I've heard it doesn't sound like a club where everyone is pulling in the same direction, and once that's gone there's little else.

The players make their bed and they'll have to lie in it, we'll all suffer but at the end of the day it's their careers that will be damaged and their wages that will be affected.

Moyes is in a tough position if this is true because with all the injuries there's not enough competition for places to discipline players.

They need to start being professional and work for each other if this is true otherwise we're all going down.
 
What is a shame with this is that the people suffering are the fans who spend hundreds of pounds of their hard earned cash to watch these players who have fallen out etc. I do appreciate management is an issue but at least they could play for the fans who follow through thick and thin (most of it thin with us mind)
 
The players make their bed and they'll have to lie in it, we'll all suffer but at the end of the day it's their careers that will be damaged and their wages that will be affected.

Moyes is in a tough position if this is true because with all the injuries there's not enough competition for places to discipline players.

They need to start being professional and work for each other if this is true otherwise we're all going down.
If he's in a position whereby he's got to be dropping/disciplining players because they don't want to play for him then his position is even more untenable than it would appear.

What a ridiculous position to be in - he has to go, pure and simple.
 
it happens in every walk of life, but ultimately the manager needs to sort it, one way or another
Not always. I've dealt with conflict in the workplace and have encouraged people to sort problems out like adults. If it's so bad where he needs to step in then they need to get a grip. It's probably over something like who's go it was on FIFA or something anyway the f***ing wankers.
 
Not always. I've dealt with conflict in the workplace and have encouraged people to sort problems out like adults. If it's so bad where he needs to step in then they need to get a grip. It's probably over something like who's go it was on FIFA or something anyway the f***ing wankers.
It probably is something infantile, but like I say the problem is quite obviously the managers which he needs to sort.
 
If he's in a position whereby he's got to be dropping/disciplining players because they don't want to play for him then his position is even more untenable than it would appear.

What a ridiculous position to be in - he has to go, pure and simple.

You're right, it's acceptable for players to act completely unprofessionally because they don't like the Manager.

They need to take responsibility and get on with their jobs.
 
It seems that his time at Sociedad raised some red flags we are seeing now:

"At the start of the 2015-16 season, Sociedad midfielder David Zurutuza argued “there are lots of things missing, not just the final pass… we’re having doubts, we’re lacking an idea”.

By the time Moyes was sacked, a few months later, they were lacking elementary competitiveness. The Las Palmas players who inflicted his final Spanish defeat felt La Real were among the easiest teams they played."

All things being equal, he's really cut to the chase here... no bounce and straight down the shitter.

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football...d-become-the-new-derby_sto5926916/story.shtml
 
You're right, it's acceptable for players to act completely unprofessionally because they don't like the Manager.

They need to take responsibility and get on with their jobs.
Sadly it's what happens.

Players have the power these days.

If they don't want to play for him now, they certainly aren't going to want to if he tries to start bollocking them. And forget trying to fine them, the PFA has their back.
 
Doesn't surprise me,I know 2 lads who know several players and they've pretty much admitted to them that they won't be trying for Moyes and actually despise him. We are looking fucked
These players need to be aware that they aren't just letting David Moyes down they're letting us down. They need to stop being sulky bastards and start being professional which is what they are handsomely paid for. Whoever is not pulling his weight should be shipped out Asap. Fact is, they'll only do it again if they don't like the next manager.
 
Doesn't surprise me,I know 2 lads who know several players and they've pretty much admitted to them that they won't be trying for Moyes and actually despise him. We are looking fucked
We need to get shot of that type of character then.. no pride in the badge
 
It's all well and good having a go at the players but it's very difficult to give 100% to something you think is wrong. In a similar position at the moment at work.
 
Rewind a year.

We employed Allardyce. You failed to act. Who stayed up?

It's that simple, we fail to act now and we'll head the same way. Change it and we've got a slim chance (again). Whether we could be lucky three times would remain to be seen.

We did act but with 10 games to go not 30 and by that time its too late. Rafa did turn it around from 8 games to go but it was a stupid ask to expect miracles
 
Other than finishing 17th, just and only because the three teams below us were worse than gash as oppose to us, who were just gash.



Kone did want to be away.

Everyone on here was screaming for him to be given a bigger contract. I would have sold the greedy twat.
Not me pal..wanted him gone! He acted like an utter **** and we will sell in Jan for a fraction of what Everton were going to pay. He has been utter shit!
 
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