I'm hearing some things which don't bode well for our season..


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Don't think anyone is downing tools mate, I saw little evidence of that for 70 minutes on Saturday although they looked completely demoralised by the end. PL football is a game of fine margins and when you have players who are only adequate at best you need everything to be 100% for them to thrive. It's individuals recogning that some of their team mates aren't giving their best and it's leading to discord imo....and to top it off there's a sizeable chunk of the squad don't believe what Moyes is telling them....it's not the same as downing tools though, it's a lack of trust and credibility imo.
I think it was somebody else said they wouldn't be trying for Moyes.
From what you are saying some in the squad seem to think others aren't giving their best so could be linked?
It certainly doesn't look a harmonious squad all pulling in the same direction at the moment, I suppose the question then becomes is that down to the manager or are there some questionable characters in the squad. Or even both.
 
Just bring back Allardyce and have done with it - Matthew Syed I'm the Times today confirming what I've always thought - he did nothing wrong in the first place, pure media BS

Of course what he did was wrong.

Illegal - apparently not. Wrong 100%

Other than finishing 17th, just and only because the three teams below us were worse than gash as oppose to us, who were just gash.

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Look at our form the last 12 - 15 games of last season man
 
I've watched every game this season and I can exclusively reveal that we are quite possibly the worst team I've seen in a long time. I can't reveal my source but he says that we are shite too and that the manager hasn't a feckin' scooby.
 
Be afraid...be very afraid! Looking at the interviews after the game on sky which I recorded as was working at the time the game was on, Defoe doesn't look happy at all, his body language suggests all isn't what it seems despite him saying we are all working together and trying to put things right....but him saying that he didn't have the look of someone being truthful

I watched that and thought he looked a broken man had the look of someone who is desperate to get out. wouldn't be suprised if he was off in January
 
Of course what he did was wrong.

Illegal - apparently not. Wrong 100%



Look at our form the last 12 - 15 games of last season man

Including teams who nothing to play for which also includes Everton, where if we had not had three points we would have been down. It was decent but lets not get carried away.
 
I text a friend ages ago about seeing one of our players in Fenwicks with his mate. overheard him talking about someone not playing and being registered as injured even though they aren't. Couldn't hear who mind.
 
Do you really think, that if we are relegated and go into administration, that Ellis won't have us subsisting on a league one budget for players and manager??

We could easily be in this same position next year, one league lower.

We all know the horror stories on how this can go... leeds, pompey, etc.

Clubs with our losses aren't allowed to spend in that league. People expecting a quick return could be in for a proper shock. Ellis Short has run this club into the ground.

Including teams who nothing to play for which also includes Everton, where if we had not had three points we would have been down. It was decent but lets not get carried away.

Compared to this season, it was oustanding
 
He lost the dressing room weeks ago.

How far we have collapsed since the end of last season, when we had a manager who could organise and motivate. Moyes is a disaster.
 
The ones Sam brought in. Moyes not giving them the time of day, heard this about a month ago. Understandable with Kone I thought, and it answered the question about why Khazri wasn't panting and why Kirchoff's form fell off a cliff. Only concentrating on his own signings and a select few others in training etc.

I dread to think what Roy Keane would have to said to a fat Khazri turning up for for the start of pre season. Isn't Kirchoff simply what we already knew, injury prone.
 
Doesn't surprise me,I know 2 lads who know several players and they've pretty much admitted to them that they won't be trying for Moyes and actually despise him. We are looking fucked

So basically we are in a no win situation, sack him and the players win again, keep him and probably 99% certain of relegation - due to player power.
 
The players in the main have no loyalty and very very limited ability. They obviously think Moyes is a dinosaur and aren't playing for him.
 
League one here we come :confused:
Dont worry man, moyes is looking to rebuild the team for league 1. Non of this is his fault, he is planning long term for 2020.

The players in the main have no loyalty and very very limited ability. They obviously think Moyes is a dinosaur and aren't playing for him.
The players would be right to think it. Its been obvious for weeks they are not buying into him.
 
is there any point at which short thinks "i've had enough your sacked...."
i'm getting the feeling that we could lose every game from here on in and he'll retain his job
 
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