If you're thinking about not bothering with Keane's book because you know the controversial quotes..

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Would people be creaming over him as much if he had been an average Championship player, instead of the world famous Roy Keane?

The good job he did for us has since been elevated to Biblical proportions by some. Yes, we were bottom of the league, but only 4 games had been played (people love to credit the West Brom game to Keane so I'm doing the same), we had Niall Quinn in charge (I love the bloke, but he's no manager) and, on paper, one of the stronger teams in the Championship - even before the £10m Keane got to spend, a substantial amount for a Championship manager at that time (not to mention the Premiership level wages the Drumaville consortium agreed to pay to those players he brought in).

He did well to establish us the following season but, this is hardly a unique achievement. Following the Rico derby, 3 points from 18 in October/November 2009 (culminating in the humiliating and gutless 1-4 home defeat by Bolton, one of the most disinterested performances I have seen by a Sunderland team at SOL) spelled out just how badly things had got and, imo, how out of his depth Keane was. He had to go and he knew it.

5 years later and people are still talking about a failed Champuionship manager - the Aston Villa assistant manager - as if he is Brian Clough or Alex Ferguson. It's a clear case of people loving him because he is 'Box Office', rather than for anything he actually achieved in the dug-out.

Ironically enough, one of Keane's gripes about our club was our lack of winning mentality, almost stretching to an inferiority complex. For so many of our fans to be so fawning towards him because of who he is and what he achieved at another club, one of the 'big boys' he was so keen for us to stand up and be counted against, well, I find it all a bit embarrassing to be honest.
£10 mil in the championship?
 
They weren't. They were the best of what Keane knew about and would allow himself to look at. He ran before he could walk once he reached the prem. All the nonsense about "you must get the best goalkeeper you can get regardless of cost" and "big clubs don't loan players" just hamstrung us. In part we were a victim of his success. Had we got up in 24 rather than 12 months we would have had more time to get Keane up to speed on the worldwide market. The counter to that, though, is that it would have timed perfectly with Drumaville going bust.

All that being said, the sentimentalist in me would like to see him get another crack if it doesn't work out with Gus. He'd come into a club with a structure that would give him the support that he needed at the start. He'd also need an old head alongside him to keep him in check, mind. Of course it wouldn't happen - and even if it did it would be more likely to end up in disaster due to the negatives of his character - but put him in the right situation and he could be outstanding.

Good post...but i still feel that the root of all Roy Keane's problems in football management were (and still are) his inability to empathise with others not as talented as he was, not as committed as he was and not as mentally strong as he was. Can you imagine the effect Keane would have on Johnson, Altidore, Wickham and a few others more than likely. You could argue that he would galvanise these players but basically his approach is bullying and it seldom works....or seldom lasts if it initially works. People have to really buy into the Keane philosophy and very few have the required mentality to do so..........Cattermole would probably like it....:lol:
 
Probably not but he is Roy Keane. So what does it matter.
He didn't spend £10m in the championship and our squad when he came in was really poor. Not to mention totally demoralised following an awful season and terrible start.

£10m by my memory - £8.8m according to Wiki. Then, of course, there were also Simpson and Evans on loan from Man U.

And, I don’t care what anyone says, we had a strong team for the Championship. Yes, they were demoralised and he did well to change the mood of the place, probably just by being Roy Keane (the Roy Keane factor). I acknowledge he did a good job on the whole, both by getting us promoted and by consolidating the following year. However, when the Roy Keane factor wore off, he was left exposed, tactically, as a manager out of his depth.

By the time he went to Ipswich, he wasn’t Roy Keane the world-renowned ex-Man U superstar, he was just Roy Keane the ex-Sunderland manager – and look how that worked out. In his next managerial job he will be Roy Keane, the sacked Ipswich manager and former Villa number 2. Basically, in managerial terms, he did a good (not amazing) job for us but is now pretty much a nobody. The level of sycophancy on here for him on here…..well, I’ve said it before, it embarrasses me.
 
Many forget he is just a baby at 43. He is 4 years younger than Poyet, 8 years younger than Mourinho and Hodgeson can be his dad. Still believe a Manger peaks around 50...ask SAF and unlike players with the exception of MON and Hodgeson they get better with age. He needs to be under better Mangers but still see him as a quality Manager in 5 years time.
 
£10m by my memory - £8.8m according to Wiki. Then, of course, there were also Simpson and Evans on loan from Man U.

And, I don’t care what anyone says, we had a strong team for the Championship. Yes, they were demoralised and he did well to change the mood of the place, probably just by being Roy Keane (the Roy Keane factor). I acknowledge he did a good job on the whole, both by getting us promoted and by consolidating the following year. However, when the Roy Keane factor wore off, he was left exposed, tactically, as a manager out of his depth.

By the time he went to Ipswich, he wasn’t Roy Keane the world-renowned ex-Man U superstar, he was just Roy Keane the ex-Sunderland manager – and look how that worked out. In his next managerial job he will be Roy Keane, the sacked Ipswich manager and former Villa number 2. Basically, in managerial terms, he did a good (not amazing) job for us but is now pretty much a nobody. The level of sycophancy on here for him on here…..well, I’ve said it before, it embarrasses me.
I'm still not convinced it was £10 million like. His biggest purchase was Stokes and we were all creaming ourselves over him when he signed.
 
Would love him back here, brought an air of professionalism about the place which was sorely missing for a long long period and lifted the club from "that backward place up north that nobody gives to shits about" to the club that was always in the media and every team wanted to beat ("Keano's Sunderland").

As said, the biggest problem was getting players in for Keano to manage and he had to resort to just getting in numbers and mercenaries and hope to survive and build.

I like Poyet, but he isn't in Keano's league when it comes to stature.

Bar a cup final, I doubt he could have done any worse than every manager after him has :confused:
 
£10m by my memory - £8.8m according to Wiki. Then, of course, there were also Simpson and Evans on loan from Man U.

And, I don’t care what anyone says, we had a strong team for the Championship. Yes, they were demoralised and he did well to change the mood of the place, probably just by being Roy Keane (the Roy Keane factor). I acknowledge he did a good job on the whole, both by getting us promoted and by consolidating the following year. However, when the Roy Keane factor wore off, he was left exposed, tactically, as a manager out of his depth.

By the time he went to Ipswich, he wasn’t Roy Keane the world-renowned ex-Man U superstar, he was just Roy Keane the ex-Sunderland manager – and look how that worked out. In his next managerial job he will be Roy Keane, the sacked Ipswich manager and former Villa number 2. Basically, in managerial terms, he did a good (not amazing) job for us but is now pretty much a nobody. The level of sycophancy on here for him on here…..well, I’ve said it before, it embarrasses me.
i wouldn't have him back if it was my choice but I think the job he did here is being underestimated by some.
His net spend in that season was around £5m.
We had some pretty big issues in the squad.
Our forwards were the permanently injured Elliott, brown and Murphy.
Our form from the turn of the year was absolutely fantastic. Was a great season one of my favourite supporting Sunderland. I will always remember it fondly.
 
That money he spent kept us up is it Keanes fault the club over spent on certain players? Did he give certain players like Murphy ridiculous wages ?

It was his fault that he demanded his club spend millions on a player, only to then decide in an instant that "they didn't have the right character" or some other nonsense, and then we never saw them again.

I appreciate what he did in his first season. I appreciate the affection he apparently has for the club. But he wasn't the right man in the end, and it's unlikely he ever will be. He has mental issues.
 
i wouldn't have him back if it was my choice but I think the job he did here is being underestimated by some.
His net spend in that season was around £5m.
We had some pretty big issues in the squad.
Our forwards were the permanently injured Elliott, brown and Murphy.
Our form from the turn of the year was absolutely fantastic. Was a great season one of my favourite supporting Sunderland. I will always remember it fondly.

Good post - a nice balanced view.

He did a good job for us and, yes, our form after New Year was pretty outstanding. I am probably playing down his achievement too much - he did a very good job for us - but nowhere near good enough to warrant the level of adoration he still gets.
 
It was his fault that he demanded his club spend millions on a player, only to then decide in an instant that "they didn't have the right character" or some other nonsense, and then we never saw them again.

I appreciate what he did in his first season. I appreciate the affection he apparently has for the club. But he wasn't the right man in the end, and it's unlikely he ever will be. He has mental issues.
I'm sure all managers have signed a player like that at some point in their career
 
"It still saddens me. I still think I should be manager of Sunderland. I really liked the club, and I liked the people."

Would anyone have him back if things didn't work for Poyet? Personally I would without any hesitation.

How many managers going back to a club are successful ? ....not that many, although would not of mind keane been coach under poyet....
 
That money he spent kept us up is it Keanes fault the club over spent on certain players? Did he give certain players like Murphy ridiculous wages ?
As with all of these situations he has to take his share of the blame. After all, he selected the players and he was no doubt very clear about the need to have them at the club. Of course Quinn/Walton/Drumaville take their significant share of the blame too, but if the players had been selected correctly and placed into a sustainable structure then it should have been possible to establish ourselves in the top half - particularly around that time. If we'd done that the tens of millions we spent wouldn't have mattered so much as they wouldn't have needed tens of millions of additional funds for the annual cycle of squad remodelling.

i wouldn't have him back if it was my choice but I think the job he did here is being underestimated by some.
His net spend in that season was around £5m.
We had some pretty big issues in the squad.
Our forwards were the permanently injured Elliott, brown and Murphy.
Our form from the turn of the year was absolutely fantastic. Was a great season one of my favourite supporting Sunderland. I will always remember it fondly.
Fourteen wins in the last seventeen games IIRC. I doubt there were many who thought we could get automatic promotion when the year began - never mind end up as champions.
 
when poyet gets the paraguay job we should get keano and paulo back in to work together
 
No thanks. Great character but proved he couldn't cope with footballers who, ironically, showed all the ego out of control traits that he himself perfected as a player. Seems more suited to the number two's job.
 
That money he spent kept us up is it Keanes fault the club over spent on certain players? Did he give certain players like Murphy ridiculous wages ?

Keane himself admits he got it wrong.......

"My biggest failing has been recruitment. Whether the problem was with my relationship with the scouts, or whether I brought in the wrong characters - ultimately, your signings will make or break you."

Credit to the fella though.......that's a very honest assessment.
 
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