If we go up this season we should be aiming for top 6 in championship next season


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I know where you’re coming from, Coventry and Rotherham were amongst the most limited of teams promoted from this league and are making a reasonable fist of stopping up. Plus there’s examples of teams going up into the Prem having done things smartly rather multi million pound gambles.

We know the Championship, it’s not that long ago we fell through it, plenty still watch it’s ample coverage and it hasn’t changed that much in that time. If anything it’s quality has diminished in that time.

That said I would still encourage people to reign in their expectations if we do go up.
The championship has definitely got weaker and I'm not sure why, look how Watford and Norwich are pissing it without being anything special.
Brentford are decent but I have no idea how Swansea are doing so well, then you have the likes of Derby who have spent plenty struggling.
 
I know where you’re coming from, conversely though, Coventry and Rotherham were amongst the most limited of teams promoted from this league and are making a reasonable fist of stopping up. Plus there’s examples of teams going up into the Prem having done things smartly rather than with multi million pound gambles.

We know the Championship, it’s not that long ago we fell through it, plenty still watch it’s ample coverage and it hasn’t changed that much in that time. If anything it’s quality has diminished since then.

That said I would still encourage people to reign in their expectations if we do go up.

You’ll have to clarify then please marra as if that’s not what you meant then I don’t get what you’re saying.
If there is a budget, which there probably will be, it certainly shouldn't be communicated. Too many bad memories from the last bugger to mention "enviable" budgets for starters.

What I mean to say is though, we shouldn't be limiting ourselves, as long as it's financially viable. I get what you're saying about reining in expectations and not hoying cash about willy nilly, but let's not be too frugal and too conservative neither. We need to show some ambition. If you tailor a season around survival and fall short, you go down. If we give it a real go and fall short then fair play - it's an ok start. Improve on it the next season.

What's certain is that a new squad needs building. Buy the best players you can who you think A: will cut it at the top end of the Championship, and B: might just step up to the Premier League also.

Let's not fall into the trap of buying Championship plodders that are only good for plodding along in the championship.
 
Every club has deluded fans but some more than others, the problem in the champ is the wealth of clubs coming down from the prem have over the rest, next season say W brom, Sheffield and Fulham come down, to compete with them you need some sucker who is happy to spend multi millions on a gamble where it's likely you will never see it again.

I've watched Sunderland about 6 times this year and you need to spend quite a bit just to stay up in my opinion, Barnsley and Luton ripped division 1 a new butt but struggled badly on return to the champ, Sunderland had a good team as well a couple of years back, much better than this team in my opinion.
Personally think the team we have now is better than that one in the Ross season, maybe not on paper, but in terms of performances. Very often in that season we'd rely on Maja taking his one good chance or McGeady/Maguire pulling something out of nowhere. Seems like we're setup with an idea of how to create chances consistently now.
 
The championship has definitely got weaker and I'm not sure why, look how Watford and Norwich are pissing it without being anything special.
Brentford are decent but I have no idea how Swansea are doing so well, then you have the likes of Derby who have spent plenty struggling.

It's because is the entire division is a raft of administrations waiting to happen. Forest released their figures this week, and it showed wages at 150% of turnover. That's the economics of the madhouse. Financial reality is about to smack the division between the eyeballs, and a lot of players are going to have to get used to getting a lot less money than they're currently on. If there's a division that needs a cap, it's not L1/L2, it's the Championship.
 
It's because is the entire division is a raft of administrations waiting to happen. Forest released their figures this week, and it showed wages at 150% of turnover. That's the economics of the madhouse. Financial reality is about to smack the division between the eyeballs, and a lot of players are going to have to get used to getting a lot less money than they're currently on. If there's a division that needs a cap, it's not L1/L2, it's the Championship.
Wouldn't that leave us in a very strong position if we do go up, with essentially a clean slate and players under contract on relatively reasonable wages?
 
Wouldn't that leave us in a very strong position if we do go up, with essentially a clean slate and players under contract on relatively reasonable wages?
Not if there 15+ teams who still have better players than us turning out week after week. The game itself isn't played on the balance sheet.
 
:lol: How do you know?

Read me next post though, cos that's not really my attitude at all.

Simply the number of times he's used the word "sustainability" for one. That alone says that we'll be self-financed to the largest extent possible. The presence of Francis Okoronkwo, who's yet to sign a professional contract, with the squad on Sunday, says we'll be looking to develop our own as much as buy in. I'm with KLD on this.
Wouldn't that leave us in a very strong position if we do go up, with essentially a clean slate and players under contract on relatively reasonable wages?

Not against the clubs prepared to spend more on wages then they generate from all sources. There seems to be a thought by some that what we need to do is be as financially irresponsible as the rest - madness.
 
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Not if there 15+ teams who still have better players than us turning out week after week. The game itself isn't played on the balance sheet.
We'll be in a much better position to offer decent contracts to players than most other clubs with debt up to the eyeballs, as long as we're sensible about it I think it's a perfect scenario for a quick improvement.

We need to buy the best young players we can, Sanderson would be a perfect example. Players who will be worth more in 2-3 years time.
 
Personally think the team we have now is better than that one in the Ross season, maybe not on paper, but in terms of performances. Very often in that season we'd rely on Maja taking his one good chance or McGeady/Maguire pulling something out of nowhere. Seems like we're setup with an idea of how to create chances consistently now.
I disagree with that, the standard in division 1 is so poor but I don't know why ?
That year in truth I believe about 5 or 6 teams were a cut above the rest but it was very competitive.
 
I disagree with that, the standard in division 1 is so poor but I don't know why ?
That year in truth I believe about 5 or 6 teams were a cut above the rest but it was very competitive.
Truthfully I've thought it's always been poor. Barnsley looked a cut above to me, I was never impressed by Luton but they obviously were doing something right, thought we should have beat them twice. Charlton went on a great run and deserved to go up ahead of us in my opinion, as pathetic as we were by the end. Donny were shite, but made the playoffs, probably the same as this season.
 
Simply the number of times he's used the word "sustainability" for one. That alone says that we'll be self-financed to the largest extent possible. The presence of Francis Okoronkwo, who's yet to sign a professional contract, with the squad on Sunday, says we'll be looking to develop our own as much as buy in. I'm with KLD on this.


Not against the clubs prepared to spend more on wages then they generate from all sources. There seems to be a thought by some that what we need to do is be as financially irresponsible as the rest - madness.
I agree. I was only joking if that didn't come across.

It remains to be seen what we might do in the next transfer window. I think I saw somewhere about there being two contract renewal plans in place dependent on what division we'll be in. I'd assume there'll not be as many renewed if we go up, and that will mean more signings.

Money will have to be spent if we go up. Now two ways about that. What's important is how we spend it.
 
Truthfully I've thought it's always been poor. Barnsley looked a cut above to me, I was never impressed by Luton but they obviously were doing something right, thought we should have beat them twice. Charlton went on a great run and deserved to go up ahead of us in my opinion, as pathetic as we were by the end. Donny were shite, but made the playoffs, probably the same as this season.
Pompey were decent then, I agree Barnsley looked better but we did get 94 points and over 100 goals, Luton are limited by budget as we have never had a rich owner but to go from non league to the champ in 6 years is pretty decent.
How on earth hull are top is beyond me and as for Lincoln even when they were wining they looked crap, you will go up and we will see what happens I guess.
 
Pompey were decent then, I agree Barnsley looked better but we did get 94 points and over 100 goals, Luton are limited by budget as we have never had a rich owner but to go from non league to the champ in 6 years is pretty decent.
How on earth hull are top is beyond me and as for Lincoln even when they were wining they looked crap, you will go up and we will see what happens I guess.
They've looked shit against us twice this season, and yet taken 2 points and a place in the cup. Have you seen how many games they've lost? Surely you don't win the league losing 10+ games?
 
They've looked shit against us twice this season, and yet taken 2 points and a place in the cup. Have you seen how many games they've lost? Surely you don't win the league losing 10+ games?
Seeing them last year after they sold everyone I expected them to drop to division 2 but look at them go.
Peterborough are a side I have not seen much, Pompey are a pub team and jacket has done a great job ruining them.
 
We'll be in a much better position to offer decent contracts to players than most other clubs with debt up to the eyeballs, as long as we're sensible about it I think it's a perfect scenario for a quick improvement.

We need to buy the best young players we can, Sanderson would be a perfect example. Players who will be worth more in 2-3 years time.
That depends if the little shits will take them! :lol:

It's a funny one. Yes there's problems, but nothing's happening or being done about it. The three best teams will still get promoted at the end of the season. We can't stand about and wait for everyone to fall away into financial ruin - it won't happen.

If somebody offers better money, whether they can actually afford to or not, the vast majority of players will go for it.
Seeing them last year after they sold everyone I expected them to drop to division 2 but look at them go.
Peterborough are a side I have not seen much, Pompey are a pub team and jacket has done a great job ruining them.
I've been saying for months Peterborough will fall away, as they usually do, but it's not quite happening. We beat them up here but I can't really remember a thing about the game.
 
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Probably SEB but has anyone pointed out that the 3 promoted teams from last season are currently in the bottom 5?

Of the 3 relegated teams from the prem, 2 are the current top 2 and the 3rd are nicely p;aced for the play-offs?

Ambition is admiral, but consolidation must come first.
 
That depends if the little shits will take them! :lol:

It's a funny one. Yes there's problems, but nothing's happening or being done about it. The three best teams will still get promoted at the end of the season. We can't stand about and wait for everyone to fall away into financial ruin - it won't happen.

If somebody offers better money, whether they can actually afford to or not, the vast majority of players will go for it.

I've been saying for months Peterborough will fall away, as they usually do, but it's not quite happening. We beat them up here but I can't really remember a thing about the game.
Hit and miss it seems, either way Sunderland will go up as they look well a organised side but very limited in my opinion, that will be enough in this division but next year is a different ball game however it depends on what this new owner wants to spend I guess, I bet come the middle of next season you will only have a few of this starting line up playing, this team would not cope at all.
Probably SEB but has anyone pointed out that the 3 promoted teams from last season are currently in the bottom 5?

Of the 3 relegated teams from the prem, 2 are the current top 2 and the 3rd are nicely p;aced for the play-offs?

Ambition is admiral, but consolidation must come first.
And the 3 before them nearly got relegated. It's a big jump.
 
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