If we go up this season we should be aiming for top 6 in championship next season


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We’ve just scraped over the line against League 2 Tranmere and you are proposing a Championship play off place ?

It’s no wonder we blow hot and cold as a club, fans like you need to have realistic ambitions and then hope for a little bit more.

Now isn’t the time to aim for the stars
What a load of bollocks. I remember when Peter Reid took over and just say kept us up and the next season we won the league. I’m not saying we will go up and win the league, I realise we aren’t promoted yet but if we do go up the club will be buzzing, big crowds at the stadium and an ambitious chairman so I don’t think 6th would be completely unrealistic. It would be a very good season.
We can't cope in this league with fast pressing and counter attacks, what makes you think we should be top 6 in a higher with a better standsrd of players?
Because IF we get promoted I would expect us to go out and buy a better standard of players ourselves. Isn’t our manager meant to have good connections with Chelsea etc if we were looking for loans
 
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Indeed. All I really know about them is their link to Brentford.

Owned by Benham but chaired by some Danish type (Rasmus Ankersen), they're currently second in the Danish league behind Brondby, who are pretty much the Danish Arsenal, except they're not base in the capital. I've lost my thread now but they have a player called Dion Cools, that's how good they are.
 
People go on about the championship now as if it’s this fantastic league where you have to spend hundreds of millions to get out of it but look at Barnsley winning every week now. If they can do it no reason why we can’t if we try and get 5/6 good players in . Maybe 2/3 premiership loans and 2/3 permanent signings
I envy your ambition pal but as far as I'm concerned we just need to stay up if we are promoted. We are in at a pivotal point in the clubs history right now and I feel it would be an achievement to stay up + rebuild from behind the scenes.
 
Owned by Benham but chaired by some Danish type (Rasmus Ankersen), they're currently second in the Danish league behind Brondby, who are pretty much the Danish Arsenal, except they're not base in the capital. I've lost my thread now but they have a player called Dion Cools, that's how good they are.
Same thing as Brentford. Lots of analysis in their approach. And spending smart money. Spending smart money isn't a based on one golden rule, it's based on the resources at hand and available. Brentford had an academy they deemed not worth keeping, it was losing money. FCM have a good academy, developing lots of good young players, so they keep it.
Since Benham took over in 2014, they have won 3 Danish championships. None prior to that. Once qualified to Europa League group stage, where they went on to lose against Man U in round of 32, iirc Rashford scored on his senior debut. And then last year's Champions League group stage.
 
What a load of bollocks. I remember when Peter Reid took over and just say kept us up and the next season we won the league. I’m not saying we will go up and win the league, I realise we aren’t promoted yet but if we do go up the club will be buzzing, big crowds at the stadium and an ambitious chairman so I don’t think 6th would be completely unrealistic. It would be a very good season.

Because IF we get promoted I would expect us to go out and buy a better standard of players ourselves. Isn’t our manager meant to have good connections with Chelsea etc if we were looking for loans

You're the one talking bollocks.

Our club was a basket case and it needs careful rebuilding.

Throwing money at the problem was what Ellis Short did - it's not the answer, though it does help.

Buying better players isn't the be all and end all. They need to want to be here, not just mercenaries. They need to bond with the club and it's supporters.

We need a total overhaul and that includes the fans expectations.

You'll be the first to chuck in going when the going gets tough, I bet !
 
I think a few people need to manage their expectations here. Not necessarily with regards to what we may achieve but how we will go about trying to achieve it.

I’ve seen loads saying not many others in the Championship will be able to compete with us financially or offer more to x player but if they haven’t said it explicitly then Speakman, Johnson and KLD have implied we’re not going to be throwing money at players, clubs and agents like it’s confetti.

I think the majority of the financial outlay is going to be in infrastructure and we’re going to try to be smarter with our recruitment. Sustainability seems to be their mission statement and that means putting things in place that mean we can identify and develop players on a continuous basis going forward. I personally think it’s ideal but it’s going to take buy in and patience from the fans.
 
I think a few people need to manage their expectations here. Not necessarily with regards to what we may achieve but how we will go about trying to achieve it.

I’ve seen loads saying not many others in the Championship will be able to compete with us financially or offer more to x player but if they haven’t said it explicitly then Speakman, Johnson and KLD have implied we’re not going to be throwing money at players, clubs and agents like it’s confetti.

I think the majority of the financial outlay is going to be in infrastructure and we’re going to try to be smarter with our recruitment. Sustainability seems to be their mission statement and that means putting things in place that mean we can identify and develop players on a continuous basis going forward. I personally think it’s ideal but it’s going to take buy in and patience from the fans.
We need at least six players in the summer if we go up. You get the best six players you can.
 
We need at least six players in the summer if we go up. You get the best six players you can.
But what does 'can' mean in this context? KLD is potentially a billionaire, I guess it means in theory we can go out and spend way over the odds to attract players here, at least within the confines of the FFP rules. I really don't think we will be though, I think we'll be setting a budget and sticking to it (just my opinion based on soundbites from the new regime). That's where I mean I think some fans are going to be disappointed, as it sounds like a lot expect us to be going up and immediately looking to blow our rivals out the water financially.
 
But what does 'can' mean in this context? KLD is potentially a billionaire, I guess it means in theory we can go out and spend way over the odds to attract players here, at least within the confines of the FFP rules. I really don't think we will be though, I think we'll be setting a budget and sticking to it (just my opinion based on soundbites from the new regime). That's where I mean I think some fans are going to be disappointed, as it sounds like a lot expect us to be going up and immediately looking to blow our rivals out the water financially.
It means whatever ya want. If there's a good enough player who's ready to come and we can afford him, then do it.

I've seen suggestions of signing journeyman and loanees with the aim of survival. We need to look beyond that.

Look at the business Keano did on transfer deadline day - none of that was paying over the odds or going crackers. Just bringing in a good mix of players with some real quality. And it got us promoted at a bloody canter in the end.
 
If we do go up, and it's still a big "if", we should aim to hang on to three or maybe four key players and get shot of the rest especially the loanees. Hopefully any future recruitment will be a huge step up on what's gone on up to now.
 
It means whatever ya want. If there's a good enough player who's ready to come and we can afford him, then do it.

I've seen suggestions of signing journeyman and loanees with the aim of survival. We need to look beyond that.

Look at the business Keano did on transfer deadline day - none of that was paying over the odds or going crackers. Just bringing in a good mix of players with some real quality. And it got us promoted at a bloody canter in the end.
I think we're maybe talking at cross purposes. I'm suggesting that the club won't be spending fortunes and that if people expect that then they'll be disappointed. That shouldn't mean we can't recruit well and end up with class players.
 
I think we're maybe talking at cross purposes. I'm suggesting that the club won't be spending fortunes and that if people expect that then they'll be disappointed. That shouldn't mean we can't recruit well and end up with class players.
Possibly.

I don't think the word budget should be on the table.
 
But what does 'can' mean in this context? KLD is potentially a billionaire, I guess it means in theory we can go out and spend way over the odds to attract players here, at least within the confines of the FFP rules. I really don't think we will be though, I think we'll be setting a budget and sticking to it (just my opinion based on soundbites from the new regime). That's where I mean I think some fans are going to be disappointed, as it sounds like a lot expect us to be going up and immediately looking to blow our rivals out the water financially.
Every club has deluded fans but some more than others, the problem in the champ is the wealth of clubs coming down from the prem have over the rest, next season say W brom, Sheffield and Fulham come down, to compete with them you need some sucker who is happy to spend multi millions on a gamble where it's likely you will never see it again.

I've watched Sunderland about 6 times this year and you need to spend quite a bit just to stay up in my opinion, Barnsley and Luton ripped division 1 a new butt but struggled badly on return to the champ, Sunderland had a good team as well a couple of years back, much better than this team in my opinion.
 
Every club has deluded fans but some more than others, the problem in the champ is the wealth of clubs coming down from the prem have over the rest, next season say W brom, Sheffield and Fulham come down, to compete with them you need some sucker who is happy to spend multi millions on a gamble where it's likely you will never see it again.

I've watched Sunderland about 6 times this year and you need to spend quite a bit just to stay up in my opinion, Barnsley and Luton ripped division 1 a new butt but struggled badly on return to the champ, Sunderland had a good team as well a couple of years back, much better than this team in my opinion.
I know where you’re coming from, conversely though, Coventry and Rotherham were amongst the most limited of teams promoted from this league and are making a reasonable fist of stopping up. Plus there’s examples of teams going up into the Prem having done things smartly rather than with multi million pound gambles.

We know the Championship, it’s not that long ago we fell through it, plenty still watch it’s ample coverage and it hasn’t changed that much in that time. If anything it’s quality has diminished since then.

That said I would still encourage people to reign in their expectations if we do go up.
That's not quite what I said.
You’ll have to clarify then please marra as if that’s not what you meant then I don’t get what you’re saying.
 
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