If its Alf Duncan


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I know that we were very serious about him indeed. It wasn't just paper talk or baseless gossip like the other Inter players. I don't know what the very latest developments are, though. The Livorno president seems adamant that he is going there, but then again he was adamant we desperately wanted Paulinho when we never had an ounce of interest.

Cheers, sure we'll find out soon enough
 
I know that we were very serious about him indeed. It wasn't just paper talk or baseless gossip like the other Inter players. I don't know what the very latest developments are, though. The Livorno president seems adamant that he is going there, but then again he was adamant we desperately wanted Paulinho when we never had an ounce of interest.

That's about all I know really.

Well that's a lot!

How do you know that about Paulinho?
 
The one I didn't mention? The one that came after I accused you of hypocrisy? That one? The one that came after you apparently took offence to someone who disagreed with you?

Let's look at this one instead with a little subtext:



Total absence of argument, packed full of the whiff of smug self-satisfaction. I know the smell well, but at least I have the bollocks and sense to recognise that about myself. Rather be a smug twat than and ignorant hypocrite - who is also a smug twat.

But, if you must insist on a debate (I am just curious to see if you are capable of one tbh), how about Benteke (Belgian league), Wiemann (mostly loans to Championship), Callum McManaman (mostly Championship loan), Lukaku (pretty much nothing since Belgian league)? Plenty young players there to make an impact without establishing themselves in top leagues first. Every top player in the world has established themselves somewhere.

No reason it can't happen and no reason it couldn't happen with Duncan if he came here. We moan about not having proper scouts and missing out on fresh young talent and now people moan about them actually doing their jobs.

Weird mentality.

That post highlights the weakness of your argument to be fair.

Benteke has played a lot of games before moving over here and is a lot more experienced.

Wiemann had time at Watford but didn't look impressive for Villa until at least after Xmas.

Lukaku played loads for Anderlecht before going to Chelsea

AND

McManaman had a season for Blackpool and numerous cameos for Wigan, didn't start a premiership game until vs the Mags this season.

All these players did not hit the ground running, they eased their way into regular football before making a significant impact.

Do we have the time to let Duncan do this with us? We need an experienced option as well as Duncan
 
That post highlights the weakness of your argument to be fair.

Benteke has played a lot of games before moving over here and is a lot more experienced.

Wiemann had time at Watford but didn't look impressive for Villa until at least after Xmas.

Lukaku played loads for Anderlecht before going to Chelsea

AND

McManaman had a season for Blackpool and numerous cameos for Wigan, didn't start a premiership game until vs the Mags this season.

All these players did not hit the ground running, they eased their way into regular football before making a significant impact.

Do we have the time to let Duncan do this with us? We need an experienced option as well as Duncan

I think we do, yes, and I think you are being a little harsh on the other players. None were experienced but all had a bit impact and did well.

Of course, there is nothing to say that an experienced player would hit the ground running either. As I said before, quality and application the key factors.
 
I think we do, yes, and I think you are being a little harsh on the other players. None were experienced but all had a bit impact and did well.

Of course, there is nothing to say that an experienced player would hit the ground running either. As I said before, quality and application the key factors.

To your general players yes, but young players are an even bigger gamble.

Lukaku played European football so was definetly experienced, also Benteke has played a lot of games before coming to Villa.

The others whilst not as experienced, were part of English culture accustomed to the style of football over a number of years.

Duncan would be less experienced than any of the players you mentioned, new to the UK and have a lot of pressure from day 1 if he is our only signing in that position.
 
To your general players yes, but young players are an even bigger gamble.

Lukaku played European football so was definetly experienced, also Benteke has played a lot of games before coming to Villa.

The others whilst not as experienced, were part of English culture accustomed to the style of football over a number of years.

Duncan would be less experienced than any of the players you mentioned, new to the UK and have a lot of pressure from day 1 if he is our only signing in that position.

Good post.
 
To your general players yes, but young players are an even bigger gamble.

Lukaku played European football so was definetly experienced, also Benteke has played a lot of games before coming to Villa.

The others whilst not as experienced, were part of English culture accustomed to the style of football over a number of years.

Duncan would be less experienced than any of the players you mentioned, new to the UK and have a lot of pressure from day 1 if he is our only signing in that position.

We can all pick and choose any facts to suit the point we want to make. For example, if we moved for Julio Buffarini - as has been linked - I am sure the more cautious amongst us wouldn't take Claudio Yacob as a guarantee that he'd do well and instantly settle/produce.

The same can be said of Duncan here. We'll all always find reasons to facilitate our natural inclination. But the salient point is that there is no reason why Duncan or any other relatively untried youngster couldn't do very well and make an immediate contribution. Others have. Similarly, there is no reason why an experienced player can't come here and be a total disaster. That has happened plenty too.

We just have to trust in the staff and expertise at the club to identify the right character and qualities. That's what they are there to do.
 
I think we do, yes, and I think you are being a little harsh on the other players. None were experienced but all had a bit impact and did well.

Of course, there is nothing to say that an experienced player would hit the ground running either. As I said before, quality and application the key factors.

Good roker report on men with keys today, keep it coming suspect we will bring in two
 
Good roker report on men with keys today, keep it coming suspect we will bring in two

Cheers mate. Will pass that on.

Certainly hope we get a couple. Would fit with what else is happening. Johnson for the right with Moberg Karlsson a younger understudy to develop behind him. Giaccherini for the left with Mavrias a younger understudy to develop behind him, etc. I do think that outgoings will ultimately decide though.
 
We can all pick and choose any facts to suit the point we want to make. For example, if we moved for Julio Buffarini - as has been linked - I am sure the more cautious amongst us wouldn't take Claudio Yacob as a guarantee that he'd do well and instantly settle/produce.

The same can be said of Duncan here. We'll all always find reasons to facilitate our natural inclination. But the salient point is that there is no reason why Duncan or any other relatively untried youngster couldn't do very well and make an immediate contribution. Others have. Similarly, there is no reason why an experienced player can't come here and be a total disaster. That has happened plenty too.

We just have to trust in the staff and expertise at the club to identify the right character and qualities. That's what they are there to do.

The last bit is spot on, i don't care how young or unknown these players are i trust the new setup to get the right players for us

Experience and age isn't always the answer imo
 
We can all pick and choose any facts to suit the point we want to make. For example, if we moved for Julio Buffarini - as has been linked - I am sure the more cautious amongst us wouldn't take Claudio Yacob as a guarantee that he'd do well and instantly settle/produce.

The same can be said of Duncan here. We'll all always find reasons to facilitate our natural inclination. But the salient point is that there is no reason why Duncan or any other relatively untried youngster couldn't do very well and make an immediate contribution. Others have. Similarly, there is no reason why an experienced player can't come here and be a total disaster. That has happened plenty too.

We just have to trust in the staff and expertise at the club to identify the right character and qualities. That's what they are there to do.

Its not picking and choosing though :lol:

What other young foreign player with such little experience has made an immediate impact?
 
Cheers mate. Will pass that on.

Certainly hope we get a couple. Would fit with what else is happening. Johnson for the right with Moberg Karlsson a younger understudy to develop behind him. Giaccherini for the left with Mavrias a younger understudy to develop behind him, etc. I do think that outgoings will ultimately decide though.

Hope youre right mate proper public service you and 78 are providing! Making the close season bearable.
 
Its not picking and choosing though :lol:

What other young foreign player with such little experience has made an immediate impact?

Oscar? Nastasic? That's from last season alone. Of course, plenty reasons to pick and choose to dismiss them as comparable cases, and I'm quite sure you will - as I would if it suited my argument too. We all do it.
 
Its not picking and choosing though :lol:

What other young foreign player with such little experience has made an immediate impact?

Julio Arca didn't make such a bad impact.

And yes I've been on Wikipedia, he'd played 36 times for Argentinos Juniors before we signed him.
 
Oscar? Nastasic? That's from last season alone. Of course, plenty reasons to pick and choose to dismiss them as comparable cases, and I'm quite sure you will - as I would if it suited my argument too. We all do it.

Its because the points youre making are woeful mate.

Oscar is a Brazilian international before moving to Chelsea

Nastatic played a full season in Serie A before moving to Man City.

They were experienced
 
After all the crap we've bought over the years (many of whom came with experience), I'm delighted Short has assembled a first rate scouting network made up of some of the best scouts around, yet some people on here seem to have preferred the previous system... crazy :lol:

Hope youre right mate proper public service you and 78 are providing! Making the close season bearable.

I'll 2nd that, great effort on their parts.
 
Its because the points youre making are woeful mate.

Oscar is a Brazilian international before moving to Chelsea

Nastatic played a full season in Serie A before moving to Man City.


They were experienced

Ah, and there we go! The goal posts suddenly change! We've gone from 'little experience' to a specific type of experience, and all because I plucked two names from the top of my head.
 
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