I just don't get this vitriol toward Coleman...


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His stock was high, artificially imo, due to his success with Wales (which basically was down to Bale ) . His CV wasn't suited to a club battling relegation from the championship.

if he stays next season, he needs to deliver automatic promotion. Anything less will be failure.

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It wasn't even that high now, seemed high at the time and we were all pleased when he came in as we assumed he would keep us up, but he has failed in his last 2 tasks - getting top seeds Wales into at least a playoff place and then keeping us up.
 
I've been critical of Coleman. I don't want him out but I also think he's made the odd mistake. But he should be given some time when the majority of this lot have gone to see what he can do.
Apparently the divisions in the squad beginning with moyes tenure are irreparable. No one could deal with that.

So.....some time.

But I don't think he's been brilliant himself

We'll see....hopefully
 
He would have been. His stock was high. He certainly would have been in contention or mentioned for each of those jobs. Look at who got the Stoke and West Brom jobs. To think Coleman wouldn’t have been considered, given his standing at the time, is daft



I know I certainly didn’t :lol:
:lol: guilty as charged here. I was optimistic that relegation meant a new broom.
 
But it is the 10 before that which were the killer, picking up just 3 points from 10 games with most of the players that have done ok these past 4 or 5 games. If we'd literally taken an extra 5 points from those, say 2W 2D 6L, not 0W 3D 7L (which would have still been poor), then we'd have been fairly likely to stay up. As it is, we're heading back to the 3rd tier and it will be at least a year just to get back to the league we are currently in.

He's been very poor overall and had more than enough time to keep us up.
I get what you are saying but for me we put to much on the manager, I blame others more than him. I don’t think he is blameless but we need some stability and he is someone I can get behind.
 
It’s so easy to defend managers who never even came to the club in the first place!
I'm not defending anyone, I'm stating my opinion if we had Warnock as manager we wouldn't be going down. My opinion is based on the evidence of Warnock's past record in the championship with clubs in similar positions.
 
FFS he could have gone anywhere. He had zero to spend in the transfer window and it really looks like the players are actually responding in the last 4 or 5 games. Next season in league one he is exactly the kind of manager we need...a "big" name and a motivator. The players we will have next season (minus the big ego twats who will go, thank fuck) will hopefully respond to someone who has actually played and managed at a level way above League 1. Get behind him.....I can't believe I'm posting this as I'm normally a right miserable twat.

I agree. He hasn't shown a great deal as of yet, but I think it would be silly to not give him a chance to turn things around from the start of a season.
He inherited a team/club entrenched in the mire. Until we have a new owner, and belief around the whole club, nothing will change.
 
Aye that's it. Not because they looked absolutely clueless all year in a back 5. Coleman used a back 4 like twice in his whole time here before the enforced change. One of those games was the one after Bristol (after coming from 3 behind after changing to a back 4 at half time) where we played better but he didn't want to admit we had so he could revert back again.


He continued with a back four the following week at home to Brentford and they absolutely destroyed us.

The four never worked at all for 17 games under Grayson, we were awful and so wide open all over the pitch. Coleman’s five system did initially work as it garnered some results and clean sheets. Then that ran its cause as we were starting to get battered with that late January / early February but the brief times he (Coleman) went to a four we got battered so why wouldn’t he revert to his system and what originally worked? Maybe if you’re splitting hairs you can argue he could have persisted with four a bit sooner but let’s face it, everyone saying the four is working now - it isn’t because we still aren’t getting results!

The only difference is the players are actually tying a little bit harder now akin to every season in the premier league when they didn’t show up until April. They’re a set of wankers who either a) don’t care enough or b) aren’t good enough.

For me the continued spouting about ‘tactics’ and ‘substitutions’ is just lazy criticism. Has he got it right in every game? No. Has any manager? But he has shown he is willing to change systems both in game and game to game. Unfortunately he can only shuffle the pack with the deck of cards he has and no matter what he does he’s still only got Billy Jones, Adam Matthews and Donald Love to select from at right back, Steele/ Ruiter/ Camp for in nets etc etc. Go right through the squad - it just simply isn’t good enough or those who might be haven’t had the desire to do well enough this season.

Coleman isn’t immune from blame as he is in charge while we’re going down and there are things/ decisions he could have done better but there are so many people on the list above him that calling for him to be sacked is ridiculous.
 
Probably because he has shown extremely poor managerial performance with the squad that he has available. There are managers with players who have less ability, experience and international caps and they have set their team up to grind out out results

Under Coleman we have conceded 2 goals a game and have simply plummeted to the bottom of the league. He should have been able to organise the team far better and allowed us to keep clean sheets.

He just hasn't performed.
 
I've been critical of Coleman. I don't want him out but I also think he's made the odd mistake. But he should be given some time when the majority of this lot have gone to see what he can do.
Apparently the divisions in the squad beginning with moyes tenure are irreparable. No one could deal with that.

So.....some time.

But I don't think he's been brilliant himself

We'll see....hopefully

I fully agree. I certainly don' want him sacked as I'd like a manager (other than Moyes) to have a full season and see what he can do.
That said, his remit was presumably to keep us up and he isn't going to.
 
I'm not defending anyone, I'm stating my opinion if we had Warnock as manager we wouldn't be going down. My opinion is based on the evidence of Warnock's past record in the championship with clubs in similar positions.
When was Warnock left without a single penny to spend and an owner who didnt want to talk to him?

Probably because he has shown extremely poor managerial performance with the squad that he has available. There are managers with players who have less ability, experience and international caps and they have set their team up to grind out out results

Under Coleman we have conceded 2 goals a game and have simply plummeted to the bottom of the league. He should have been able to organise the team far better and allowed us to keep clean sheets.

He just hasn't performed.
Its his goalkeepers who havent performed surely?
 
I get what you are saying but for me we put to much on the manager, I blame others more than him. I don’t think he is blameless but we need some stability and he is someone I can get behind.

It looks like he will be in charge next season so we'll have to get behind him, but it's just been disappointing. That Friday when his appointment was confirmed and this place was excited this was the league table:

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We were 3 points off 21st with a game in hand and a goal difference which could have been considered an asset compared to our rivals. If we're honest, most have (whether secretly or not) thought we would have gotten out of trouble and I just don't see too much progress - 1 win in 5, mostly against bottom half sides with nowt to play for isn't massively encouraging despite the improved performances. It's too little too late anyway.

That said, HUGE summer ahead of us and I guess we'll just have to see how he starts next season.
 
His stock was high, artificially imo, due to his success with Wales (which basically was down to Bale ) . His CV wasn't suited to a club battling relegation from the championship.

if he stays next season, he needs to deliver automatic promotion. Anything less will be failure.

Whatever the reasons, his stock was high and he’d have interested premier league clubs.
 
We were still better v Brentford than the previous games with 5 and the following games. Grayson’s results have nothing to do with Coleman.

It’s the first time they’ve had a run of games with 4 at the back under Coleman and it’s immediately been the best we’ve been all season.

We’ve shown in this run of games that the players are good enough to not be bottom of the championship. 1 win and 2 draws in our last 3 away games.

Too little too late due to the refusal to change a system that has relegated us, and a refusal to play our best player and instead expect Billy Jones to create all our goals.

No surprise to see Cattermole playing better in a system that suits him instead of trying to show horn him into a role he doesn’t have the legs or ability for either.
 
It looks like he will be in charge next season so we'll have to get behind him, but it's just been disappointing. That Friday when his appointment was confirmed and this place was excited this was the league table:

11v11 league table generator

We were 3 points off 21st with a game in hand and a goal difference which could have been considered an asset compared to our rivals. If we're honest, most have (whether secretly or not) thought we would have gotten out of trouble and I just don't see too much progress - 1 win in 5, mostly against bottom half sides with nowt to play for isn't massively encouraging despite the improved performances. It's too little too late anyway.

That said, HUGE summer ahead of us and I guess we'll just have to see how he starts next season.
I get where you are coming from but for me I can’t blame him for keeper handling the ball outside the box. Defenders getting sent off etc
 
Probably because he has shown extremely poor managerial performance with the squad that he has available. There are managers with players who have less ability, experience and international caps and they have set their team up to grind out out results

Under Coleman we have conceded 2 goals a game and have simply plummeted to the bottom of the league. He should have been able to organise the team far better and allowed us to keep clean sheets.

He just hasn't performed.
He hasn't, and I'm certainly not thinking he hasn't made quite a few mistakes. But you know as well as I that this lot of players in the main are a bunch of f***ing pariah charlatans who in the majority can't wait to be away and have been thinking of the end of the season for ages.

Yes, on paper a decent manager would have kept this squad (on paper)up.

But.....this lot aren't on paper. They're thinking about their next move the majority of them.

I'd give him till November with his own lot and this lot gone.

If this lot aren't gone, we might as well give up
 
I get where people are coming from re: organising a defence, clean sheets etc but the majority of goals are coming from absolute howlers by the keeper or defence. Nothing to do with how they are set up, individual calamity.
 
I get where people are coming from re: organising a defence, clean sheets etc but the majority of goals are coming from absolute howlers by the keeper or defence. Nothing to do with how they are set up, individual calamity.

What about our general play? Do you not think that’s different to how it was when we were getting beat 3-0 every game and creating nothing at all? Or is that down to the keeper as well?
 
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