Hendo Hypocrasy and Welbeck


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The hype surrounding the lad, which all stemmed from the manager who is obsessed with building him up in the press, has always been ridiculous and way, way, way out of proportion with what we've actually seen on the pitch.

Its the total opposite approach to what every other manager takes with their players, who usually try to shield their youngsters from the limelight.

Thankfully some of us are happy that Henderson is a decent prospect but have not been carried away by the hype.

There were no surprises in last night's performance because thats how he's played in 90% of his games for Sunderland.

Having been exposed to the hype and built up lets hope he's not now knocked down, frankly he should have been allowed to develop away from the hype in the firdt place.
 
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the times i've seen him he's dont nowt special, against chelsea the commentators said he was outstanding!!! from what i saw he gave the ball away too much, over hit passes, and the ball that got thru to gyan hit the defender and was lucky to get thru, not saying he's not a good player as i've not seen enough of him to judge properly but from what i have seen i surely wouldnt say he's THAT brilliant like, hope as always to be proved wrong tho
 
Wait what?????? people are having a go at the lad for what was his first ever england game. REALLY REALLY!!!! Thick as f***ing mince some on here like, it was a whole new team with alot of kids in it, f***ing hell if you were german fans there new manager wouldve been dropped and stars like ozil and khadria wouldnt have been given a f***ing chance when germany did what england are in the process of doing with a changing of the guard. Some people always suprise me with there thickness.:lol:

You Sir are one of THICKEST planks of wood on here! So unbelievably THICK infact that you probably struggle to maintain your breathing rhythm.

It is people like you, who I am referring to.

I was not slating Hendo. I was just referring to the FACT that some dim-witted fans on here are quick to jump on Welbeck's back when he has better performances than Hendos last night, BUT when it is Hendo a host of logical reasoning, some right, some wrong come out in force. Where is this logical reasoning when a 19 year old striker, playing out of position, in a new team, with a totally different style is adjusting? Is my point. Hypocrites of the highest level!

the times i've seen him he's dont nowt special, against chelsea the commentators said he was outstanding!!! from what i saw he gave the ball away too much, over hit passes, and the ball that got thru to gyan hit the defender and was lucky to get thru, not saying he's not a good player as i've not seen enough of him to judge properly but from what i have seen i surely wouldnt say he's THAT brilliant like, hope as always to be proved wrong tho

Ur already sooo wrong but okay! Specsavers anybody?
 
Welbeck was obviously playing out of position at the beginning of the season and many posters said they weren't too impressed with him on the wing but also said that if he got a chance to play up front that he'd be much more effective and that has proven to be correct, so I don't see what your point is :confused:
 
whats with all the hissy fits on here lately? people take this board way to seriously. quite frankly its embarrassing beyond belief.
 
Henderson was poor but so was the entire England midfield, and that includes Gerarrd, something was wrong somewhere.

some good points there...

my take up on the £20 million shit transfer talk is

wud yer pay that to get him here...
LIKE FUCK

So based solely on last nights performance would you pay £20 million to get Steven Gerrard here?
 
Welbeck was obviously playing out of position at the beginning of the season and many posters said they weren't too impressed with him on the wing but also said that if he got a chance to play up front that he'd be much more effective and that has proven to be correct, so I don't see what your point is :confused:

Incorrect again! Selective memory seems to be a big trait on this board.

Some had that view, but many didn't! To put it in laymen terms for the reasoning impaired and challenged on this board. If both Welbeck and Hendo put in a 6 out of 10 performance in the same match, the muppet brigade on here will say Welbeck's shit, shouldn't start, Brucey has to play him cos it's in his contract, send him back to Manchester, Waghorn this, Fraizer that, blah blah fukin blah. Whereas Hendo would be lauded. Only if he put in a few below par performances would you here the biggest criticism "oh he needs a rest" or "he's a winger".

Okay that's a bit of a generalisation, but there is a lot of truth to it. I think it's important to note I am referring to the muppets on here that shouldn't be let loose with a keyboard, there are a lot of okay maybe some well-reasoned individuals who know what they're talking about!

I can't be arsed replying to anymore incompetent replies to this, because your wrong and I'm right! Remember what I said. Now given the chance, I'll sit back and let Danny's football do the talking x
 
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OK you are talking about context. Wellbeck has done well and criticism here means feck all really, I don't here loads of abuse about him at the ground, maybe others do? The manager picks him and he does what he's told and does his best. But he like Henderson is a young player learning his trade. Henderson has done well in nearly 50 games Wellbeck has only had about 10-12. Football and football writers, pundits and commentators are mental everything is blown out of proportion. There was a 20 year old making his debut did he set the heather on fire? Not really was he terrible? Not really. Has he an international career ahead of him? Unknown but he has the first game out of the way and maybe next time it will be easier.

France were good opposition and that wasn't England's top side so I'm not sure what conclusions we should draw but as ever the press the pundits are all rabbitting on about skill, back to basics, comfort on the ball etc. I bet Jordan Henderson could keep the feckin ball up in the air for three days juggling etc in fact we've seen him do it on You tube, Nathan Luscombe was even better but where is he? This proves nowt it was friendly Spain lost 4-0 to Portugal.

I suggest we have a look at the tactics employed, humping the ball up to a 6foot 5 centre is feckin dark age stuff and the fact that the English players didn't get close enough to their opponents and let them run riot tells you you all you need to know. Capello was just looking at his debutants he didn't even bother to look at how France might play.
 
You Sir are one of THICKEST planks of wood on here! So unbelievably THICK infact that you probably struggle to maintain your breathing rhythm.

It is people like you, who I am referring to.

I was not slating Hendo. I was just referring to the FACT that some dim-witted fans on here are quick to jump on Welbeck's back when he has better performances than Hendos last night, BUT when it is Hendo a host of logical reasoning, some right, some wrong come out in force. Where is this logical reasoning when a 19 year old striker, playing out of position, in a new team, with a totally different style is adjusting? Is my point. Hypocrites of the highest level!



Ur already sooo wrong but okay! Specsavers anybody?

At the end of the day welbeck isnt our player so who gives a fuck.
 
The point that the OP makes is that we excuse JH for being young, when we didn't excuse Wellbeck, and he's in the same boat.

There's a very distinct difference, though.

JH is a kid who's a star for the future for us. He's only being playing in the PL a short time. He's someone we're trying to build into a future star, or someone we can sell for big bucks in the future if he decided to leave (which I hope he doesn't).

Wellbeck is someone we're less tolerant of because he's been given to us as a loanee. That means he should benefit Man utd and us.

If he plays shit...it doesn't matter if he learns from it, as he'll be taking those lessons back to manchester.

THAT is why I have little or no loyalty to Wellbeck when he's not performing, but I'm happy for JH to take his time.
 
It's patently obvious that Henderson and Carroll cannot play well in the same team not because of their club allegiances but the style of play adopted by the team as a whole. Players like Jagielka and Lescott enjoy hoofing or lumping it up to the big target man whereas with Hendo it's more one or two touch flowing passing and building movements. Incompatible last night to our simplistic approach.
 
What a pathetically whiney OP.

Of course, Sunderland fans are going to support Henderson more than they would support Danny and they don't need to justify it to anyone else.
 
A farcile thread, he was one of the better players on the pitch....burky. Did his job, not his fault others did not....finally it was a fuckin friendly, he had two more gears, it was obvious, it's not like the old days ya knar were you need to make your inprint asap. The only debutant not to be subbed?

I must have been watching a different game then. He didn't put a tackle in throughout the whole of the 1st half. It doesn't matter if you're being played out of position or not, you've still got to get the ball of the opposition.
 
The hype surrounding the lad, which all stemmed from the manager who is obsessed with building him up in the press, has always been ridiculous and way, way, way out of proportion with what we've actually seen on the pitch.

Its the total opposite approach to what every other manager takes with their players, who usually try to shield their youngsters from the limelight.

Thankfully some of us are happy that Henderson is a decent prospect but have not been carried away by the hype.

There were no surprises in last night's performance because thats how he's played in 90% of his games for Sunderland.

Having been exposed to the hype and built up lets hope he's not now knocked down, frankly he should have been allowed to develop away from the hype in the firdt place.

Not like you to blame Bruce for something.

Do you want him out?
 
good post mate. Ive tried saying something similar all night. If that performance had been put in by a player who didnt belong to Sunderland (particularly after the hype hes had), we would slaughter him on here. Sadly, not many can see it. Henderson is a good prospect, having a decent season but he was distinctly average and anonymous for the most part tonight.

As Anonymous as everyone else was, or couldn't you see that?
 
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