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Harry Kane
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bomber
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He'll sign for us at 37 and break it at the ship tip.Pen at the gallowgate end, 50k skunks + 1 Whaleheed in mourning.
errant
Striker
Haven’t appreciated how prolific Greaves was mind. Held the European top flight record till 2017 when Ronaldo passed him. Kane has a long way to go to catch his 350+ top flight english goals.
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has the OP copped a lengthy ban?Canny timing tbf.
Hulkster
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Logged on just for this thread.
Indeed.
Not to downplay Kane's achievements in any way, but when they talk about Kane breaking Greave's record they don't mention he got another hundred and thirty odd for Chelsea and a fair few others on top.
Indeed.
Not to downplay Kane's achievements in any way, but when they talk about Kane breaking Greave's record they don't mention he got another hundred and thirty odd for Chelsea and a fair few others on top.
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ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
By September 4th, he'd played 3 games that season but scored 0 so it seems the OP wrote him off. Overall at that point he'd made 89 Premier League appearances and scored 49 with 9 assists. If you take the 2 full seasons prior when he was a starter of 90 mins then it was 75 appearances with 46 goals and 7 assists. In the 14 PL appearances for Norwich and Spurs he scored 3 but only average 46 mins per appearance.
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His overall domestic league and cup record for all teams at that time was 203 appearances, 88 goals, 25 assists averaging 65 mins per appearance. For the 2 seasons prior it was 104 appearances, 59 goals, 9 assists averaging 74 mins per appearance.
After this thread was started, he scored in his next 2 PL games including against us but got his ankle injury so was out for 5 games. He ended up on 29 goals in 30 appearances for the 16/17 season as he missed 3 more games due to his ankle.
Flash in the pan indeed
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Houghtoner
Winger
Well done to him. Quality player. Don’t think he’s appreciated enough.
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Nor will you read about the fact there were more goals per game scored back then due to various reasons
. I'm not saying Greavsie isn't one of the best as he certainly was. Though to compare goals records from different eras isn't a true reflection of the difference as you've just done. For starters they played 4 games more per season, around 10% so over a career that's a few more games played and therefore more goals. If Kane had 10% more goals then he'd be on 220 goals so 130 odd behind. With the 38 game seasons, Kane would have to play another 5 full seasons after this one to play the same amount of games as Greavsie. Greavsie's 517 appearances would take at least 14 seasons to complete as a player would need to play 37 games a season to get 518 appearances. That alone is something of a feat for a striker these days as they either don't play as long a career or have been abroad a few seasons (see Aguero/Henry below). What people don't consider is what percentage of all the goals scored in a season that a player has scored. For example if 1,000 goals are score and a player scores 30 goals then he's scored 3% of all goals. Comparing Kane and Greavsie is closer than what you'd think as the last sentence of the copy n paste below from another thread explains the numbers.
Greaves got 0.69 Goals Per Game (GPG) and Shearer got 0.51 GPG so not marginally better in that particular comparison. Kane currently on 200 goals in 304 PL appearances so 0.66 GPG. It's very close to Greaves ratio (10 goals behind) which in this day and age is exceptional and in the top 10 GPG of all time top division goal scorers.
Football is a different sport now and it's hard to compare stats given the evolution of the game has changed considerably. One difference being the total goals scored in a game was considerably higher until the late 60/start of the 70's. I think this may have been due to subs first being used, initially to swap just 1 injured player in 1965/66 and then tactically in 1967/68 (
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). Interesting read that link and it's mad to think that it was 1987 when they could use 2 subs, whereas now it's 5 subs from the 9 subs on the bench, will be 12 for the World Cup!When Greaves started playing there were a load more goals per game and in 1962 for example it was 3.73 GPG with an average of 3.29 GPG from 1957-71. Over a 380 game season that peak would be over 1,400 goals and the average would be just over 1,250 goals. Since the PL started it's been between 2.45 and 2.83 which is 931 goals to 1,072 goals so a lot less than the 1,250 and 1,400. During Kane's period it's an average 2.74 GPG at around 1,041 goals a season so 25% less goals or 209 less goals.
That doesn't mean Kane has scored 25% less goals as forwards score more goals than defenders, as do the top teams so in theory more of those 209 extra goals would go to forwards of top teams. Out of interest I've checked to see what percentage of goals scored by a player of the total of the season goals. Ignoring his Norwich season of just 3 games, Kane has scored 1.95% of all league goals scored and ignoring Greaves 2 poor final seasons at West Ham, it's 1.87% of goals scored. Or another way to look at it, Kane scores every 51st goal in the PL and Greaves was every 54th goal in the old 1st Division. Overall from Shearer's first decent season in 1991/92 he got 1.74% and every 57th goal.
This table is from Wiki and is players with a ratio of 0.60 GPG. Again, bear in mind that the further back you go, chances are more goals were scored in games back then and that that a goalscorers percentage of overall goals scored may well be different as it is with Kane and Greavsie.
| Player | Years | Goals | Apps | Ratio |
| Dixie Dean | 1924–1938 | 310 | 362 | 0.86 |
| Dave Halliday | 1925–1933 | 211 | 257 | 0.82 |
| Jack Bowers | 1928–1939 | 186 | 255 | 0.73 |
| Jimmy Greaves | 1957–1972 | 357 | 516 | 0.69 |
| Hughie Gallacher | 1925–1938 | 246 | 355 | 0.69 |
| George Camsell | 1921–1939 | 233 | 337 | 0.69 |
| Vic Watson | 1923–1936 | 203 | 295 | 0.68 |
| Thierry Henry | 1994–2012 | 175 | 258 | 0.68 |
| Sergio Aguero | 2011–2021 | 184 | 275 | 0.67 |
| Arthur Chandler | 1925–1935 | 203 | 309 | 0.66 |
| Harry Kane | 2012– | 200 | 304 | 0.66 |
| Ginger Richardson | 1928–1946 | 178 | 269 | 0.66 |
| George Brown | 1921–1935 | 240 | 366 | 0.65 |
| Harry Johnson | 1919–1931 | 201 | 313 | 0.64 |
| Gordon Hodgson | 1925–1940 | 288 | 455 | 0.63 |
| Stan Mortensen | 1946–1959 | 197 | 317 | 0.62 |
| Harry Hampton | 1904–1922 | 219 | 357 | 0.61 |
| George Elliott | 1909–1925 | 198 | 327 | 0.61 |
| Joe Bradford | 1921–1935 | 248 | 410 | 0.60 |
Ashley In!!
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tldrNor will you read about the fact there were more goals per game scored back then due to various reasons
With the 38 game seasons, Kane would have to play another 5 full seasons after this one to play the same amount of games as Greavsie. Greavsie's 517 appearances would take at least 14 seasons to complete as a player would need to play 37 games a season to get 518 appearances. That alone is something of a feat for a striker these days as they either don't play as long a career or have been abroad a few seasons (see Aguero/Henry below). What people don't consider is what percentage of all the goals scored in a season that a player has scored. For example if 1,000 goals are score and a player scores 30 goals then he's scored 3% of all goals. Comparing Kane and Greavsie is closer than what you'd think as the last sentence of the copy n paste below from another thread explains the numbers.
Greaves got 0.69 Goals Per Game (GPG) and Shearer got 0.51 GPG so not marginally better in that particular comparison. Kane currently on 200 goals in 304 PL appearances so 0.66 GPG. It's very close to Greaves ratio (10 goals behind) which in this day and age is exceptional and in the top 10 GPG of all time top division goal scorers.
Football is a different sport now and it's hard to compare stats given the evolution of the game has changed considerably. One difference being the total goals scored in a game was considerably higher until the late 60/start of the 70's. I think this may have been due to subs first being used, initially to swap just 1 injured player in 1965/66 and then tactically in 1967/68 (You must be logged on to see external links). Interesting read that link and it's mad to think that it was 1987 when they could use 2 subs, whereas now it's 5 subs from the 9 subs on the bench, will be 12 for the World Cup!
When Greaves started playing there were a load more goals per game and in 1962 for example it was 3.73 GPG with an average of 3.29 GPG from 1957-71. Over a 380 game season that peak would be over 1,400 goals and the average would be just over 1,250 goals. Since the PL started it's been between 2.45 and 2.83 which is 931 goals to 1,072 goals so a lot less than the 1,250 and 1,400. During Kane's period it's an average 2.74 GPG at around 1,041 goals a season so 25% less goals or 209 less goals.
That doesn't mean Kane has scored 25% less goals as forwards score more goals than defenders, as do the top teams so in theory more of those 209 extra goals would go to forwards of top teams. Out of interest I've checked to see what percentage of goals scored by a player of the total of the season goals. Ignoring his Norwich season of just 3 games, Kane has scored 1.95% of all league goals scored and ignoring Greaves 2 poor final seasons at West Ham, it's 1.87% of goals scored. Or another way to look at it, Kane scores every 51st goal in the PL and Greaves was every 54th goal in the old 1st Division. Overall from Shearer's first decent season in 1991/92 he got 1.74% and every 57th goal.
This table is from Wiki and is players with a ratio of 0.60 GPG. Again, bear in mind that the further back you go, chances are more goals were scored in games back then and that that a goalscorers percentage of overall goals scored may well be different as it is with Kane and Greavsie.
Player Years Goals Apps Ratio Dixie Dean 1924–1938 310 362 0.86 Dave Halliday 1925–1933 211 257 0.82 Jack Bowers 1928–1939 186 255 0.73 Jimmy Greaves 1957–1972 357 516 0.69 Hughie Gallacher 1925–1938 246 355 0.69 George Camsell 1921–1939 233 337 0.69 Vic Watson 1923–1936 203 295 0.68 Thierry Henry 1994–2012 175 258 0.68 Sergio Aguero 2011–2021 184 275 0.67 Arthur Chandler 1925–1935 203 309 0.66 Harry Kane 2012– 200 304 0.66 Ginger Richardson 1928–1946 178 269 0.66 George Brown 1921–1935 240 366 0.65 Harry Johnson 1919–1931 201 313 0.64 Gordon Hodgson 1925–1940 288 455 0.63 Stan Mortensen 1946–1959 197 317 0.62 Harry Hampton 1904–1922 219 357 0.61 George Elliott 1909–1925 198 327 0.61 Joe Bradford 1921–1935 248 410 0.60
Comeback_Kenwyne
Striker
Nor will you read about the fact there were more goals per game scored back then due to various reasons
With the 38 game seasons, Kane would have to play another 5 full seasons after this one to play the same amount of games as Greavsie. Greavsie's 517 appearances would take at least 14 seasons to complete as a player would need to play 37 games a season to get 518 appearances. That alone is something of a feat for a striker these days as they either don't play as long a career or have been abroad a few seasons (see Aguero/Henry below). What people don't consider is what percentage of all the goals scored in a season that a player has scored. For example if 1,000 goals are score and a player scores 30 goals then he's scored 3% of all goals. Comparing Kane and Greavsie is closer than what you'd think as the last sentence of the copy n paste below from another thread explains the numbers.
Greaves got 0.69 Goals Per Game (GPG) and Shearer got 0.51 GPG so not marginally better in that particular comparison. Kane currently on 200 goals in 304 PL appearances so 0.66 GPG. It's very close to Greaves ratio (10 goals behind) which in this day and age is exceptional and in the top 10 GPG of all time top division goal scorers.
Football is a different sport now and it's hard to compare stats given the evolution of the game has changed considerably. One difference being the total goals scored in a game was considerably higher until the late 60/start of the 70's. I think this may have been due to subs first being used, initially to swap just 1 injured player in 1965/66 and then tactically in 1967/68 (You must be logged on to see external links). Interesting read that link and it's mad to think that it was 1987 when they could use 2 subs, whereas now it's 5 subs from the 9 subs on the bench, will be 12 for the World Cup!
When Greaves started playing there were a load more goals per game and in 1962 for example it was 3.73 GPG with an average of 3.29 GPG from 1957-71. Over a 380 game season that peak would be over 1,400 goals and the average would be just over 1,250 goals. Since the PL started it's been between 2.45 and 2.83 which is 931 goals to 1,072 goals so a lot less than the 1,250 and 1,400. During Kane's period it's an average 2.74 GPG at around 1,041 goals a season so 25% less goals or 209 less goals.
That doesn't mean Kane has scored 25% less goals as forwards score more goals than defenders, as do the top teams so in theory more of those 209 extra goals would go to forwards of top teams. Out of interest I've checked to see what percentage of goals scored by a player of the total of the season goals. Ignoring his Norwich season of just 3 games, Kane has scored 1.95% of all league goals scored and ignoring Greaves 2 poor final seasons at West Ham, it's 1.87% of goals scored. Or another way to look at it, Kane scores every 51st goal in the PL and Greaves was every 54th goal in the old 1st Division. Overall from Shearer's first decent season in 1991/92 he got 1.74% and every 57th goal.
This table is from Wiki and is players with a ratio of 0.60 GPG. Again, bear in mind that the further back you go, chances are more goals were scored in games back then and that that a goalscorers percentage of overall goals scored may well be different as it is with Kane and Greavsie.
Player Years Goals Apps Ratio Dixie Dean 1924–1938 310 362 0.86 Dave Halliday 1925–1933 211 257 0.82 Jack Bowers 1928–1939 186 255 0.73 Jimmy Greaves 1957–1972 357 516 0.69 Hughie Gallacher 1925–1938 246 355 0.69 George Camsell 1921–1939 233 337 0.69 Vic Watson 1923–1936 203 295 0.68 Thierry Henry 1994–2012 175 258 0.68 Sergio Aguero 2011–2021 184 275 0.67 Arthur Chandler 1925–1935 203 309 0.66 Harry Kane 2012– 200 304 0.66 Ginger Richardson 1928–1946 178 269 0.66 George Brown 1921–1935 240 366 0.65 Harry Johnson 1919–1931 201 313 0.64 Gordon Hodgson 1925–1940 288 455 0.63 Stan Mortensen 1946–1959 197 317 0.62 Harry Hampton 1904–1922 219 357 0.61 George Elliott 1909–1925 198 327 0.61 Joe Bradford 1921–1935 248 410 0.60
If Haaland plays here for a decade, he’ll top that.
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Winger
It was expected given you've been shown more than just a basic single number comparison
He was anonymous today so if he doesn't score in the next 2 games, I'm expecting a thread about him being a flash in the pan
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Ginger Richardson . GroovyNor will you read about the fact there were more goals per game scored back then due to various reasons
With the 38 game seasons, Kane would have to play another 5 full seasons after this one to play the same amount of games as Greavsie. Greavsie's 517 appearances would take at least 14 seasons to complete as a player would need to play 37 games a season to get 518 appearances. That alone is something of a feat for a striker these days as they either don't play as long a career or have been abroad a few seasons (see Aguero/Henry below). What people don't consider is what percentage of all the goals scored in a season that a player has scored. For example if 1,000 goals are score and a player scores 30 goals then he's scored 3% of all goals. Comparing Kane and Greavsie is closer than what you'd think as the last sentence of the copy n paste below from another thread explains the numbers.
Greaves got 0.69 Goals Per Game (GPG) and Shearer got 0.51 GPG so not marginally better in that particular comparison. Kane currently on 200 goals in 304 PL appearances so 0.66 GPG. It's very close to Greaves ratio (10 goals behind) which in this day and age is exceptional and in the top 10 GPG of all time top division goal scorers.
Football is a different sport now and it's hard to compare stats given the evolution of the game has changed considerably. One difference being the total goals scored in a game was considerably higher until the late 60/start of the 70's. I think this may have been due to subs first being used, initially to swap just 1 injured player in 1965/66 and then tactically in 1967/68 (You must be logged on to see external links). Interesting read that link and it's mad to think that it was 1987 when they could use 2 subs, whereas now it's 5 subs from the 9 subs on the bench, will be 12 for the World Cup!
When Greaves started playing there were a load more goals per game and in 1962 for example it was 3.73 GPG with an average of 3.29 GPG from 1957-71. Over a 380 game season that peak would be over 1,400 goals and the average would be just over 1,250 goals. Since the PL started it's been between 2.45 and 2.83 which is 931 goals to 1,072 goals so a lot less than the 1,250 and 1,400. During Kane's period it's an average 2.74 GPG at around 1,041 goals a season so 25% less goals or 209 less goals.
That doesn't mean Kane has scored 25% less goals as forwards score more goals than defenders, as do the top teams so in theory more of those 209 extra goals would go to forwards of top teams. Out of interest I've checked to see what percentage of goals scored by a player of the total of the season goals. Ignoring his Norwich season of just 3 games, Kane has scored 1.95% of all league goals scored and ignoring Greaves 2 poor final seasons at West Ham, it's 1.87% of goals scored. Or another way to look at it, Kane scores every 51st goal in the PL and Greaves was every 54th goal in the old 1st Division. Overall from Shearer's first decent season in 1991/92 he got 1.74% and every 57th goal.
This table is from Wiki and is players with a ratio of 0.60 GPG. Again, bear in mind that the further back you go, chances are more goals were scored in games back then and that that a goalscorers percentage of overall goals scored may well be different as it is with Kane and Greavsie.
Player Years Goals Apps Ratio Dixie Dean 1924–1938 310 362 0.86 Dave Halliday 1925–1933 211 257 0.82 Jack Bowers 1928–1939 186 255 0.73 Jimmy Greaves 1957–1972 357 516 0.69 Hughie Gallacher 1925–1938 246 355 0.69 George Camsell 1921–1939 233 337 0.69 Vic Watson 1923–1936 203 295 0.68 Thierry Henry 1994–2012 175 258 0.68 Sergio Aguero 2011–2021 184 275 0.67 Arthur Chandler 1925–1935 203 309 0.66 Harry Kane 2012– 200 304 0.66 Ginger Richardson 1928–1946 178 269 0.66 George Brown 1921–1935 240 366 0.65 Harry Johnson 1919–1931 201 313 0.64 Gordon Hodgson 1925–1940 288 455 0.63 Stan Mortensen 1946–1959 197 317 0.62 Harry Hampton 1904–1922 219 357 0.61 George Elliott 1909–1925 198 327 0.61 Joe Bradford 1921–1935 248 410 0.60
Kane won’t beat that.
He might not even get to Shearer’s record.
That’s not the point. The point is he’s good, better than most and certainly not a flash in the pan per the OP.
Keep knocking him, he will keep scoring. Sure as night follows day.
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Perfect.
The way city played was old @Hongkongphooey at centre forward? Definite flash in the pan
