Aituk7
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Hadith and to a smaller extent the Quran.Where islams are told it's ok to rape kids and stuff
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Hadith and to a smaller extent the Quran.Where islams are told it's ok to rape kids and stuff
No I mean the exact textHadith and to a smaller extent the Quran.
Utter nonsense, the difference is we address the problem with an open mind, not an anti-Islamic agenda.It seems, though, that you (and those in your field) chose to do nothing about what you knew to be factual.
That, to me, makes you (and your fellows) equally as guilty as those convicted!
No I mean the exact text
Stuff like that was quite common at the time and certainly not exclusive to Mohamed or even Muslims."'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old, and he (the Holy Prophet) took her to his house when she was nine, and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old" - Sahih muslim book 16
That’s an absurd suggestion.It seems, though, that you (and those in your field) chose to do nothing about what you knew to be factual.
That, to me, makes you (and your fellows) equally as guilty as those convicted!
Those other people aren't claiming to be the most perfect person to have ever lived, they also didn't start a religion encouraging others to emulate them.Stuff like that was quite common at the time and certainly not exclusive to Mohamed or even Muslims.
Do you have any text which advises people to rape women or kids?
Pretty much it seems, maybe not 'not being believed' but certainly overlooked and ignored in many cases for years because authorities didn't want to get involvedWhy is this a historic case and investigation ? Is there a history of reports of abuse not being investigated or believed at the time ? Jimmy Savile aside.
I've already read them I just wondered if you might have had something new to say.Those other people aren't claiming to be the most perfect person to have ever lived, they also didn't start a religion encouraging others to emulate them.
There's loads of stuff in the Quran and the hadith about taking non-muslim women, women who dress imodestly have lost the protection off allah, women are worth less than men, take whatever your right hand posseses etc.
I've posted it all on this board more than once. But it'd be easier if you just looked it up tbh
You only have to look at the prophet who wrote the books and the hadith is based on his life story.
He shagged kids, he ordered his people to rape and enslave others, he was a warlord.... what do you think those books are gonna say?
The old testament is no doubt horrible, however I would stress abrogation does help christianity out an awful lot... and it has the reverse affect in Islam.I've already read them I just wondered if you might have had something new to say.
So he was a warlord, have you ever read the old testament? Some of the stuff that goes on is pretty mental and subjugates women yet most Christians in the UK are not raping or grooming anyone.
So what is it thats making them do it? Their race or their culture or just them being personally responsible for doing bad things?
So what are you proposing then?The old testament is no doubt horrible, however I would stress abrogation does help christianity out an awful lot... and it has the reverse affect in Islam.
Most muslims in the Uk are not raping or grooming kids either... no one is claiming that
What's making them do it imo is they have been brought up to respect islamic customs and law, which justifies this behaviour as acceptable... above western/uk customs and law.
If it wasn't as widespread I would share the same viewpoint that this is just a bad people thing.... but the level to which it exists and how open it is being done suggests to me something more at play.
Not to mention the victims have mentioned Islam being part of the problem... the perpertrators have said Islam plays a part.
The Swedish security services now recognise grooming gangs are often religiously driven
An Imam in oxford said grooming gangs were being promoted at certain mosques in the area
About a decade ago a mosque was putting a flyer about explaining how to get sikh girls drunk and take advantage of them.
I've already read them I just wondered if you might have had something new to say.
So he was a warlord, have you ever read the old testament? Some of the stuff that goes on is pretty mental and subjugates women yet most Christians in the UK are not raping or grooming anyone.
So what is it thats making them do it? Their race or their culture or just them being personally responsible for doing bad things?
I propose we stop pretending Islam has nothing to do with why these grooming gangs exist.So what are you proposing then?
It's not irrational to fear far right racist, homophobic and violent ideologies.I wouldn't bother with him mate. He's just another knuckle dragging islamaphobe
I don't know that anyone is pretending that it is, but the fact that 1% of a population does something doesn't seem justification to use it as the common denominator.I propose we stop pretending Islam has nothing to do with why these grooming gangs exist.
Oh theres more than few who pretend that has.I don't know that anyone is pretending that it is, but the fact that 1% of a population does something doesn't seem justification to use it as the common denominator.
And you still haven't said what you actually want to do?
Don't you find it alarming the amount of white atheist or Christians who are convicted of sex offences?Oh theres more than few who pretend that has.
As for being a common denominator, it's alarming what percentage of grooming gangs are made up by muslims considering their percentage in the population.
Me? i don't know what i can do, I honestly don't know what any of us can do, it's only a football forum. But Andrew Norfolk and the jay report both back up the idea that pretending Islam is not part of the problem and overt political correctness have fed this phenomona....
What I find interesting is why people get so defensive or outright deny obvious facts whenever Islam is concerned.
YeahDon't you find it alarming the amount of white atheist or Christians who are convicted of sex offences?
So what's the point of this and the other numerous threads then?Yeah
To talk about another muslim grooming gang being convicted.So what's the point of this and the other numerous threads then?
But you've just accepted that white men are just as likely to be sex offenders.To talk about another muslim grooming gang being convicted.