Grealish - Not Taking a Penalty


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Acting a tinker as I hate Owen, has he got a list of young lads who took and scored or do they not normally have that burden placed on them? ;)
In that same period the only ones I can think of from shoot outs all scored

Sancho (19) - Switzerland
Rashford (20) - Colombia
Owen (19) - Argentina

Point is that age is clearly not a factor
 
Of course it is, you select your best takers prior. Its like during a game, you know who's gonna take a kick..nothing different, just a increase in numbers.

What's the scientific method?
@FootballFan is saying having your takers picked based on experience/stats/training pre match is the more scientific method when compared to “who’s up for it lads?” after extra time
 
Interesting article from Four Four Two: Does bringing substitutes on for penalty shootouts ever work? | FourFourTwo

"Geir Jordet, a football psychology researcher undertook a study of all penalty shootouts at World Cups, European Championships and Copa Americas between 1976 and 2004. He founf that (unsurprisingly) attackers are better than defenders at scoring penalties; that players aged 23 and under performed better than older players; and that fatigued players (those who play 120 minutes) are less successful than substitutes."
 
Interesting article from Four Four Two: Does bringing substitutes on for penalty shootouts ever work? | FourFourTwo

"Geir Jordet, a football psychology researcher undertook a study of all penalty shootouts at World Cups, European Championships and Copa Americas between 1976 and 2004. He founf that (unsurprisingly) attackers are better than defenders at scoring penalties; that players aged 23 and under performed better than older players; and that fatigued players (those who play 120 minutes) are less successful than substitutes."
Looks like his stats will get skewed/changed after England and Italys performance.
 
Grealish was professional throughout the whole tournament, despite Southgate completely under-using him and even subbing him after bringing him on as a sub. Shocking really.

If anyone deserved to be hauled off after being brought on it was Saka in the final.
 
Interesting article from Four Four Two: Does bringing substitutes on for penalty shootouts ever work? | FourFourTwo

"Geir Jordet, a football psychology researcher undertook a study of all penalty shootouts at World Cups, European Championships and Copa Americas between 1976 and 2004. He founf that (unsurprisingly) attackers are better than defenders at scoring penalties; that players aged 23 and under performed better than older players; and that fatigued players (those who play 120 minutes) are less successful than substitutes."

The subs were right decision for penalties imo.

The bit in bold may be a bit skewed by average age of defenders and attackers. Albeit defenders are much more technically capable than they were years ago.
 
@FootballFan is saying having your takers picked based on experience/stats/training pre match is the more scientific method when compared to “who’s up for it lads?” after extra time
Scientific method, never heard the like. Why do people complicate football its a Simple Game, you know who your best are.

Picking a 19yr old who looked well overawed whilst on the field, noticable when he sidestepped a challenge. Followed by M Rashford who's struggled all season. Two huge blunders from GS.

Jack Grealish was spot on calling out Keane and GS, he like many others would have stepped up. Well done JG.
 
Scientific method, never heard the like. Why do people complicate football its a Simple Game, you know who your best are.

Picking a 19yr old who looked well overawed whilst on the field, noticable when he sidestepped a challenge. Followed by M Rashford who's struggled all season. Two huge blunders from GS.

Jack Grealish was spot on calling out Keane and GS, he like many others would have stepped up. Well done JG.
I’m not saying anything about the virtues of either approach.

You’ve said you know who your best are. How would a manager know who the best penalty takers are?
 
So your saying the manager knows they were his best, scientific style?
It wasn’t me who made the original assertion, I was just clarifying some confusion about it. All I’m saying is that taking penalty scoring records in matches and training is a more scientific method (it’s hardly rocket science) than asking “who fancies it?” on the pitch. They probably have psychologists who profile the players for those with the coolness to score under pressure

I’ve made no suggestion which is better. Southgate has said that he picked the takers. Certainly Rashford falls into the ‘good history’ category. I think Sancho is 3/3 so a good record. Saka is a stranger one but maybe he bangs them in in training, I have no idea.
 
It wasn’t me who made the original assertion, I was just clarifying some confusion about it. All I’m saying is that taking penalty scoring records in matches and training is a more scientific method (it’s hardly rocket science) than asking “who fancies it?” on the pitch. They probably have psychologists who profile the players for those with the coolness to score under pressure

I’ve made no suggestion which is better. Southgate has said that he picked the takers. Certainly Rashford falls into the ‘good history’ category. I think Sancho is 3/3 so a good record. Saka is a stranger one but maybe he bangs them in in training, I have no idea.
If there were psychologists using player profiles to pick those who would perform best under pressure I’d want to look at their profiling / testing methods, results, analysis etc as it seems clear there are factors which have been missed or not taken account of in the conclusions made.
 
It wasn’t me who made the original assertion, I was just clarifying some confusion about it. All I’m saying is that taking penalty scoring records in matches and training is a more scientific method (it’s hardly rocket science) than asking “who fancies it?” on the pitch. They probably have psychologists who profile the players for those with the coolness to score under pressure

I’ve made no suggestion which is better. Southgate has said that he picked the takers. Certainly Rashford falls into the ‘good history’ category. I think Sancho is 3/3 so a good record. Saka is a stranger one but maybe he bangs them in in training, I have no idea.
Woodlebert not having a go at you.

Its never a case of who fancies it. He should have a list of his first 12 takers, in order. They should have been drilled on the art of scoring spot kicks with hours and hours of training.

Rashford was a shocking choice, struggled all season, Saka poor lad given a poison chalice, if GS could not see the lad was struggling out on the field since his introduction, well it just raises so many more questions about GS management.
 
If there were psychologists using player profiles to pick those who would perform best under pressure I’d want to look at their profiling / testing methods, results, analysis etc as it seems clear there are factors which have been missed or not taken account of in the conclusions made.
Much of psychology is a pseudoscience anyway. Just look at the success of FBI "profiles."
 
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