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can we afford - in a playing sense though - to wait until the end of August before buying? If we get the players we want in early they can be bedded in quicker and results improve - arguably also makes us less desperate to sell at the end.

We can't do that though, until we know which high earners are leaving and who we need to replace. Surely that's blindingly obvious?

Currently we're tied to several players who's wages will massively eat into any budget, let alone that of a club with our debt.
 
£32m has come in. We've spent two and the season is upon us. What makes you think any future sales would be reinvested?

Depends upon timing but if money comes in we will invest. The window doesn't shut when the season starts and players should have had pre session training at their current club.
 
We are run by a business sense not a football sense and we are already relegated so yes we can bank £30m

Considering we are in deep financial bother, have had a half a decade of relegation battles, PR disasters, prosecutions and a high turnover of staff Id say we were neither run well as a business or a football club.

There's no evidence to suggest that our budget is going to be competitive. To assume that we would reinvest the monies from potential sales when we've reinvested next to nothing of what we've raised so far is a stretch

Possibly because the wage bill by then had been reduced significantly to an affordable level?

Possibly because we're tied to the high earners at the moment whom we expect to leave (Lens, Kone, Khazri, Djilobodji) and until there's movement there there's no scope to spend more on wages?

I'm sure Grayson recently said wages were no longer a problem.
 
Considering we are in deep financial bother, have had a half a decade of relegation battles, PR disasters, prosecutions and a high turnover of staff Id say we were neither run well as a business or a football club.

There's no evidence to suggest that our budget is going to be competitive. To assume that we would reinvest the monies from potential sales when we've reinvested next to nothing of what we've raised so far is a stretch

Considering we were bought by a self made billionaire I'd say he doesn't make a bad desision that often. As I business man I bet he is wishing he'd never bothered! Although I guess he has some affiliation the the club and isn't keen on self financing us. He can only employ people in an industry he is not familiar with and trust them on their word and has made mistakes, I don't need to go through them all.

The only evidence I have on our budget being competitive in this league is listening to it come from our manager an hour ago.
 
We can't do that though, until we know which high earners are leaving and who we need to replace. Surely that's blindingly obvious?

Currently we're tied to several players who's wages will massively eat into any budget, let alone that of a club with our debt.
mmm, pretty sure Allardyce said the other day clubs always take your approach and it's self-defeating, blindingly obviously so in our case.
 
I'm sure Grayson recently said wages were no longer a problem.

He did, but I don't buy it and I think he was speaking more about loans than proper long term deals. It has to be a bit of an issue otherwise we'd have been poking around for some decent bosmans - it looks like we're taking one a keeper from Holland who will be on pennies over there. Unless you have investment and ambition at this level you won't be able to sustain several players like we have who will be on decent wages and then add to them, whilst paying debts and previous transfer fees etc. We're not going to get rid of players like Rodwell on an apparent 60k per week, we may not be looking to offload Catts (or be able to), we've just taken on McGeady on a decent wage and so you're left with others who even after cuts will be on good money like Khazri, Kone, Djilobodji, Gibson, Oviedo.

mmm, pretty sure Allardyce said the other day clubs always take your approach and it's self-defeating, blindingly obviously so in our case.

It's not my approach, it's what's been happening at the club for a year or so now and especially in this season. I'm just understanding what's happening and seeing it for what it is. There is no ambition or investment here, we sell to bring in.

Also Sam Allardyce is seeing it purely from a managers point of view, as he did when he criticised Phil Gartside at Bolton after he ONLY signed him Anelka for big money when Bolton finished fifth and Allardyce expected (I kid you f***ing not) a push for a CL place. Bolton who even then had massive debts.
 
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Because Ellis Short is a business man not a Sunderland supporter and his first choice is to pay a chunk off the debt rather than reinvest in a relagated team
was his mismanagement and lack of Leadership that got us into this shite so aint been much of a business man here for sure.
Wish he had the same ambition as Gibson down the road is showing
 
Considering we were bought by a self made billionaire I'd say he doesn't make a bad desision that often. As I business man I bet he is wishing he'd never bothered! Although I guess he has some affiliation the the club and isn't keen on self financing us. He can only employ people in an industry he is not familiar with and trust them on their word and has made mistakes, I don't need to go through them all.

The only evidence I have on our budget being competitive in this league is listening to it come from our manager an hour ago.

Your first line highlights that he could make a success of it if he was committed. He isn't and here lies the problem.
 
He did, but I don't buy it and I think he was speaking more about loans than proper long term deals. It has to be a bit of an issue otherwise we'd have been poking around for some decent bosmans - it looks like we're taking one a keeper from Holland who will be on pennies over there. Unless you have investment and ambition at this level you won't be able to sustain several players like we have who will be on decent wages and then add to them, whilst paying debts and previous transfer fees etc. We're not going to get rid of players like Rodwell on an apparent 60k per week, we may not be looking to offload Catts (or be able to), we've just taken on McGeady on a decent wage and so you're left with others who even after cuts will be on good money like Khazri, Kone, Djilobodji, Gibson, Oviedo.



It's not my approach, it's what's been happening at the club for a year or so now and especially in this season. I'm just understanding what's happening and seeing it for what it is. There is no ambition or investment here, we sell to bring in.

Also Sam Allardyce is seeing it purely from a managers point of view, as he did when he criticised Phil Gartside at Bolton after he ONLY signed him Anelka for big money when Bolton finished fifth and Allardyce expected (I kid you f***ing not) a push for a CL place. Bolton who even then had massive debts.

I just don't think it's believable that we have a competitive budget based on potential sales. If we need to shift Kone, Khazri and Djilibodgi in order to buy then we seemingly don't have a budget in the first place.

Even if we do manage to sell them, at very best we will merely reinvest the fees. I don't think that will make our budget competitive in today's championship terms
 
was his mismanagement and lack of Leadership that got us into this shite so aint been much of a business man here for sure.
Wish he had the same ambition as Gibson down the road is showing

I agree mate but he has obvious made many other correct business decisions. Business men who think they can make money out of a football club I think are sadly mistaken unless they come up through the leagues. Owning a football club is now the billionaires toy. Not an investment!

I just don't think it's believable that we have a competitive budget based on potential sales. If we need to shift Kone, Khazri and Djilibodgi in order to buy then we seemingly don't have a budget in the first place.

Even if we do manage to sell them, at very best we will merely reinvest the fees. I don't think that will make our budget competitive in today's championship terms

Not if you are comparing it to Wolves or Boro
 
Of course not but it's hardly Grayson fault. It's people like you that are a blight on our club. I'll say it again, give the man a chance. The club is in a mess. Do you think he can turn things round in a matter of weeks?

Steele and Vaughan makes him part of the blame, McGeady in a couple of months too, not to mention Hugill if he signs....

But you keep happy mate! ;)
 
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