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Wolves have spend.£18.73m
Middlesbrough £42.29m

Sunderland £1.19m

So on the subject of ambitions for automatic promotion, i would say the numbers speak for themselves,

as for when he said we had we have a competitive budget i was still listening, however we are yet to see it..

Good post....

There's no ambition from the Club regards to promotion and i'm supposed to be happy on here about it! :lol:
 
Wolves have spend.£18.73m
Middlesbrough £42.29m

Sunderland £1.19m

So on the subject of ambitions for automatic promotion, i would say the numbers speak for themselves,

as for when he said we had we have a competitive budget i was still listening, however we are yet to see it..

And like I said players have to leave and the transfer window is stil open. Competitive budget is in the top 1/3 no one said anything about automatic promotion.
 
I got exactly the same impression mate. It didn't feel like there was an insatiable appetite at the club to get us back into the top flight.

As much as we took the piss out of Newcastle last year when they went down with regards to their long term ambitions, it was tangibly clear that they planned on an immediate return.

That isn't the case here. There are no noises coming out of the club that makes me think they are a wounded animal, pissed off with last season's events and want to fix it. The appointment of Grayson, the recruitment, the pre-season, everything just points towards stagnation.

For the life of me I can't understand how some supporters can't be angry or agitated it by it. Even if we have no money, someone come out and say it with the added caveat that it doesn't matter because we will build a belief around the squad and in the stands that we can do it without the budget as we have done in the past. Something or anything will do. From the owner, to the CEO to the manager and the players, there is no obvious fire in the belly or ambition for supporters to cling to. It's a sad state of affairs and if people are happy to go along with amateurish on field performances, recruitment, radio interviews and fan filmed drunk player interviews then good for them but there are thousands of others that aren't and that will be clearly demonstrated in the stands over the coming weeks.
One man's stability is another man's stagnation.
 
And like I said players have to leave and the transfer window is stil open. Competitive budget is in the top 1/3 no one said anything about automatic promotion.

We have recouped over £30m in fees and no longer have Defoe, Pickford, Larsson, Kirchoff, Mannone and Borini on the wage bill. Most of the other players will have taken a pay cut following relegation and we will have the parachute payments.

We have spent a couple of million and added a few cheap lads to the wage bill. If you believe that the sale of a couple of more players is going to turn our budget from
non-existent to competitive for promotion then that's champion. Based on recent activity at Sunderland, a hell of a lot are rightly skeptical.
 
And like I said players have to leave and the transfer window is stil open. Competitive budget is in the top 1/3 no one said anything about automatic promotion.

So what is the ambition and expectation then, play offs ? midtable ? avoid relegation, because i don't know and i am not sure the rest of the support do. so which is it
 
If stability is mid table second tier then that is more or less the same as stagnation for a club like ours
Not if we can half the wage bill and reduce the debts. That'll be a huge step forward. Our problem is we've been throwing expensive planks of wood at a sinking ship hoping it'll stay afloat. It's not all Ellis' fault but he shares the blame like. The mismanagement is on par with Leeds atm. Let's just hope we can steady the ship this year and get back to shore before the sharks eat us... aaand that's enough ship metaphors for today. My ship has sailed.
 
so Gibson emerges now stronger than us after spending fuck all when we have had 10 years of Prem funding to spunk about? Thats without taking into account our extra gate money. Gibson clearly better at running a football club and with more ambition now than Short to get promotion!

That's precisely why. Get promoted with a low cost base and low wages. Spend a bit, bit not too much, keeping the costs and wages under control. Get relegated. Back in the Champ with roughly the same cost base as before, no debt increase, and a whole bunch of parachute payments coming your way. Burnley did the same thing. In comparison, we overspent wildly on wages and transfers of players, and are deep in the hole. We are where Boro were a few years back when Gibson had got himself in the same mess as we are now.
 
We have recouped over £30m in fees and no longer have Defoe, Pickford, Larsson, Kirchoff, Mannone and Borini on the wage bill. Most of the other players will have taken a pay cut following relegation and we will have the parachute payments.

We have spent a couple of million and added a few cheap lads to the wage bill. If you believe that the sale of a couple of more players is going to turn our budget from
non-existent to competitive for promotion then that's champion. Based on recent activity at Sunderland, a hell of a lot are rightly skeptical.

How many times does it have to be said - they will be swallowed up in running costs.
 
We have recouped over £30m in fees and no longer have Defoe, Pickford, Larsson, Kirchoff, Mannone and Borini on the wage bill. Most of the other players will have taken a pay cut following relegation and we will have the parachute payments.

We have spent a couple of million and added a few cheap lads to the wage bill. If you believe that the sale of a couple of more players is going to turn our budget from
non-existent to competitive for promotion then that's champion. Based on recent activity at Sunderland, a hell of a lot are rightly skeptical.
On top of the savings we've made, we still probably have to pay off the instalments for K, K and K (maybe others). Normally they're paid annually for the length of the initial contracts they were given.
 
i understand, however we will need to return before the end of payments so sometime in may 2020, or are we just going to get settled and happy with the championship long term ?
To be honest unless we unearth loads of young stars or have a £100 million purchase budget then we will come straight back down again. No disrespect to the manager but we are building a team to stay in the championship league, hardly one to get out of it. If we did succeed then we would have the perennial problem of replacing the loanees and most of the remaining squad. How many of our currently owned players are Premier class and if so why haven't they been snapped up by Premier clubs. Trust me, if someone came round sniffing with a £10 note Short would snatch it.
 
So same shite as his interview when he got the job! Nothing new.

So what do you want him to say?

Only here for the money?
Taking their eyes out?
Couldn't give a monkeys about the club or the fans?
Deliberately buying shite because he doesn't care if they stay up or go down?

Is this the sort of shite you would rather he says?
 
So what do you want him to say?

Only here for the money?
Taking their eyes out?
Couldn't give a monkeys about the club or the fans?
Deliberately buying shite because he doesn't care if they stay up or go down?

Is this the sort of shite you would rather he says?

I want him to say nothing.

We got hammred a week before the season starts, that's what he should be concentrating on.
 
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