Gooch (Scapegoat)


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Probably our Championship season when he stood out above a toothless lot. He has always been frustrating in the sense he can look great and then suddenly look out of his depth. I am not defending his performances, he shouldn’t be starting games. I just think at times the abuse he gets is over the top.
Pointing out the lads faults is not abuse
 
No....he has been appallingly bad for a number of months and I'm /was one of his biggest fans since his youth days. He has developed some really bad habits since breaking into the team all those years ago. I posted just after the season began that he would not be in the starting eleven at the end of the season but injuries may just save him...
He shouldn’t be starting games I agree
 
Pointing out the lads faults is not abuse
Agree with that and I have pointed out his faults on this thread. Cirkin was dogshit yesterday and has been for a while in his natural position but I wasn’t hearing the fans shouting useless c**t at him every team the ball went near him.
 
Anyone else think this lad is becoming a bit of a scapegoat?

I know he frustrates at times with his decision making but he can play some good football also when in his correct position.

He has taken on a tough role at right back recently and he is clearly out of his depth in that position, but people need to cut him some slack. This position should have been addressed in January and Gooch shouldn’t be playing there.

Yesterday at the match I saw a shocking ball played to him and before the ball even got near him the fans lost it with him. Gooch ironically trapped the ball and played it back to Doyle in what stopped the ball going out for a throw in to Doncaster and the fans around me looked a bit silly.

Gooch has been no worse than most during this bad spell but nobody else gets as much abuse as this lad.

I don’t think people want him to fail and people are right to expect better but people need to cut him slack.
Agree.
Neil and Embleton getting away with fkn murder
 
Agree with that and I have pointed out his faults on this thread. Cirkin was dogshit yesterday and has been for a while in his natural position but I wasn’t hearing the fans shouting useless c**t at him every team the ball went near him.
Maybe it was because people have had enough of the lad failing to improve season after season, Cirkin has only been at the club for 2 minutes
 
Aye but he is playing in a position he is really struggling in and he shouldn’t be playing there.

He has his good games in midfield and his bad and there isn’t much consistency and he shouldn’t be starting. He is a good option from the bench though.
He may be playing in an unfamiliar position at right back, but how do you account for him running down blind alleys, failing to beat his man 99% of the time and basically losing possession the vast majority of times he finds himself in a forward position, these examples are taken from when he plays in his favoured position by the way.
 
Maybe it was because people have had enough of the lad failing to improve season after season, Cirkin has only been at the club for 2 minutes
I can’t disagree. I think the lad has been messed around this season especially position wise - it has destroyed any of the good aspects we can see from him. He used to score some cracking goals and I can’t understand why he hasn’t been shooting from range this season as it is one of his strengths.
 
He may be playing in an unfamiliar position at right back, but how do you account for him running down blind alleys, failing to beat his man 99% of the time and basically losing possession the vast majority of times he finds himself in a forward position, these examples are taken from when he plays in his favoured position by the way.
In the midfield role he is prone to all of that which is what makes him frustrating but he does have his good games also - not enough to be starting in that position. He should never be playing at right back though.
 
He tries just isn’t good enough that’s the top and bottom
Of it he hasn’t developed with us and league one is probably his standard.
He isn’t good enough for us mate - we have better options. We just don’t have options at right back which seems strange since Winchester did well there and we signed Hume.
 
Honestly believe the demise of the club has killed his career off. You simply don’t come through an academy (look at the % of good players who actually get released), play for your country and make your premier league debut so young, if your not a talented human being. The lad has been messed about in so many different positions and is probably just as sick of the site of the club as the rest of us with all the bad news constantly been coming out the clubs for years on end.

I would love nothing better than for him to get a move away from the club and thrive because it’s just not happening for him now at this club and the fans are massively on his back which won’t be helping his situation. I’ve noticed he seems to of come off social media too now as he must be sick of the negative comments aimed at him.

It will be the same with embleton and Dan neil if we aren’t careful and get things right quickly. Embleton thrived last season out on loan at Blackpool away from our fan pressure and now fans are claiming he’s pap, Dan neil was a future England captain a couple month ago now he isn’t worthy of being in a match day squad.
 
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Honestly believe the demise of the club has killed his career off. You simply don’t come through an academy (look at the % of good players who actually get released), play for your country and make your premier league debut so young, if your not a talented human being. The lad has been messed about in so many different positions and is probably just as sick of the site of the club as the rest of us with all the bad news constantly been coming out the clubs for years on end.

I would love nothing better than for him to get a move away from the club and thrive because it’s just not happening for him now at this club and the fans are massively on his back which won’t be helping his situation. I’ve noticed he seems to of come off social media too now as he must be sick of the negative comments aimed at him.

It will be the same with embleton and Dan neil if we aren’t careful and get things right quickly. Embleton thrived last season out on loan at Blackpool away from our fan pressure and now fans are claiming he’s pap, Dan neil was a future England captain a couple month ago now he isn’t worthy of being in a match day squad.

100% this. The fans didn’t always dislike Gooch. He was one of the few to have the respect of the fans in out Championship season. Once the fans make their minds up it is really hard to win them back.
 

Anyone else think this lad is becoming a bit of a scapegoat?

I know he frustrates at times with his decision making but he can play some good football also when in his correct position.

He has taken on a tough role at right back recently and he is clearly out of his depth in that position, but people need to cut him some slack. This position should have been addressed in January and Gooch shouldn’t be playing there.

Yesterday at the match I saw a shocking ball played to him and before the ball even got near him the fans lost it with him. Gooch ironically trapped the ball and played it back to Doyle in what stopped the ball going out for a throw in to Doncaster and the fans around me looked a bit silly.

Gooch has been no worse than most during this bad spell but nobody else gets as much abuse as this lad.

I don’t think people want him to fail and people are right to expect better but people need to cut him slack.
He epitomises why we can't get out of this division. He's just not consistent enough and that sums up the team over the course of this season and the last few seasons we have been stuck in this division.

I wouldn't criticise his effort. He's just not good enough, and the same could be said for lots of our squad.
 
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