Gone off again in... France


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Russian fans instigate indiscriminate violence in which they:
-routinely beat up innocent bystanders
-hospitalise multiple English
- are caught on video smashing furniture off the heads of people trying to flee
- seen acting in groups of up to 10 against one other bloke, before repeatedly stamping on his head when he's on the ground (seen 4 different examples of this happening)
- carry weapons, gum shields, MMA equipment and balaclavas, and storm across segregation into the English section inside the stadium.
-throw a English fan into the harbour after kicking him repeatedly on the floor

Responses to Russian violence:
-UEFA threaten further trouble will see Russian expulsion.
-Zero arrests
-zero Russians jailed
- Russian FA spokesman states '90% of fans go to fight anyway, they are standing up for their country'


-English fans retaliate with bottle throwing after being attacked by a group of 70 Marseille youths on the first night
-some English fans attempt to defend themselves and fight back against repeated waves of Russian attacks.

Responses to English 'violence':

-UEFA threaten further trouble will see England expelled from the tournament
-multiple arrests
-6 English fans jailed (just seen one of the lads fathers on the news, f***ing heartbreaking and disgraceful the way our lads have been set up as the fall guys)
-pretty much every journalist, politician and celebrity has condemned publicly our 'disgraceful and embarrassing behaviour'


This is the most sickening example of double standards I've ever seen. Not a murmur from UEFA regarding locals attacking NI fans, or regarding German hooligans attacking Ukraine fans (clear footage available online of both)

Some Russian fans have even filmed themselves attacking the English using a GoPro for fuck sake.

Is there any danger of our FA growing a spine and sticking up for our fans??

Ah man, get to fuck. Tournament after tournament we bleat on about how the poliss have picked on our poor innocents abroad, how the locals have, how those awful opposition fans have. Never our fault, always the scapegoats.

Utter f***ing turd of the highest order. Pissed up, taking trying to annex a square, abusing anyone that comes into their little corner of England they've taken over, bottles chucked, tables over etc etc etc. Poor little lost lambs my f***ing arse.

Accept we have and always will have a minority contingent that like nothing more than to kick off in a foreign town because the mono brain celled fuckwits never have and never will achieve a single thibg in their brief and unproductive stay on this planet.
 
Until today? They condemned the fans for what happened on Thursday and Friday, but non have for what happened on Saturday? Mind you, you say every journalist, politician and Celebrity has so I suppose you'll be able to give us some evidence that ridiculous statement.



The FA have condemned it and have said that they are concerned about the security measures in place. And I posted you a link earlier from the BBC which clearly states it was the Russians to blame. You are blaming the FA for giving out pre-tournament advice to fans. Baffling.
That's not what the tone of their newscast this evening portrays.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36515575

Dr Geoff Pearson, an expert in football policing from University of Manchester who was in Marseille, said police "managed to lose control of Marseille for nearly 24 hours".

"They were operationally inept, their strategy was horrendous, it was completely wrong for the event and the complexity of the event they were dealing with," he said.

Not been a good week for the French police.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/13/french-policeman-stabbed-death-paris?CMP=twt_gu

Three people including a French police officer have been killed after a hostage situation in a Paris suburb.

A spokesman for France’s interior minister said a police officer his wife, and their attacker had been killed after a stabbing at the officer’s home outside Paris. The spokesman, Pierre-Henry Brandet, said on Monday night that police had managed to rescue a child from the scene.

A police source said officers had responded to a hostage situation at a house in Magnanville, about 35 miles (55km) west of the French capital.

Le Parisien reported that the suspect was the victim’s neighbour. Authorities said they had tried to negotiate with the suspect, but negotiations failed and they then stormed the house.

Police said the suspect was killed, and they then found a woman dead inside the house but were able to rescue the son safely.
 
Do you not research before wading in with comments, they have.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36515575
They might as well not have bothered with all of that, as they pretty much negated it on the news tonight. I'm not in the habit of going off half cocked at the slightest thing, but tonight's news pissed me off after all of the good work that was being done to put the record straight.
 
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That video sums up everything I've said to people, they attack innocents or people on the sly ,then when confronted by game England fans, run off like fairies. To much Russian arse kissing ffs.

Exactly. We're seeing the same videos shown again and again, that one is a very different perspective.

They are uploading the same videos so social media is awash with repeated footage and they are picking and choosing what they show.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36515575

Dr Geoff Pearson, an expert in football policing from University of Manchester who was in Marseille, said police "managed to lose control of Marseille for nearly 24 hours".

"They were operationally inept, their strategy was horrendous, it was completely wrong for the event and the complexity of the event they were dealing with," he said.

He was on Sky news..He basically said the French Police were useless and caused a lot of their own problems, they couldn't handle the French or Russian ultras and just seem hell bent of throwing tear gas every where..
 
They all look rather knackered during the final.. :lol:
Just 4 guys each remaining.
Lech Poznan vs Jungsvolk (CSKA Moscow)


They're a joke mate, they look more like a state sponsored modern dance troupe, wouldn't have lasted five minutes at your old ground. ;)

From Stalingrad to the gayest nation on earth inside a couple of generations, that's some journey. My theory is that they've grasped the sub text of Putin's new Russia, they're his "boys". :)
 
No doubt the Russians were mainly at fault but there are England fans who aren't doing themselves any favours out there

This has been pointed out numerous times, we're all aware of that, there always is to some degree and most people on here are not defending that.

The point is the Russians have been planning this for months and were going to attack England supporters regardless, they've taken the violence to a new level and are attacking fans indiscriminately even those already sparked out cold on the floor.

I wouldn't apportion blame to the police on the streets as they're just following the orders they're given but the tactics used have been woefully inadequate. Police forces in England, Germany and many other countries in Europe have well developed methods of dealing with this type of issues and they have offered advice which seems to have been totally ignored.

I would point out it's a small proportion of Russian's involved in these attacks and the police should have been aware of the threats they have been making for months and tracked their movements and arrested/deported them before any trouble was allowed to happen. They were mostly wearing t-shirts/shorts which would easily identify them so there's no reason this couldn't have happened even if the police had no prior intelligence.

You tell me what the real news is here? A small minority of England supporters disgrace themselves or well prepared Russian hooligans attack indiscriminately with a level of violence rarely, if ever seen before.
 
This has been pointed out numerous times, we're all aware of that, there always is to some degree and most people on here are not defending that.

The point is the Russians have been planning this for months and were going to attack England supporters regardless, they've taken the violence to a new level and are attacking fans indiscriminately even those already sparked out cold on the floor.

I wouldn't apportion blame to the police on the streets as they're just following the orders they're given but the tactics used have been woefully inadequate. Police forces in England, Germany and many other countries in Europe have well developed methods of dealing with this type of issues and they have offered advice which seems to have been totally ignored.

I would point out it's a small proportion of Russian's involved in these attacks and the police should have been aware of the threats they have been making for months and tracked their movements and arrested/deported them before any trouble was allowed to happen. They were mostly wearing t-shirts/shorts which would easily identify them so there's no reason this couldn't have happened even if the police had no prior intelligence.

You tell me what the real news is here? A small minority of England supporters disgrace themselves or well prepared Russian hooligans attack indiscriminately with a level of violence rarely, if ever seen before.

It's a good post mate but you're over egging the pudding there which is exactly the response these cretins are seeking. I'd guess as many people were hospitalised after a single derby game at Roker. I can't recall the year (1968?) but I well remember the carnage. Chisels, darts, hammers used and then thrown into the crowd, mayhem.
 
Ah man, get to fuck. Tournament after tournament we bleat on about how the poliss have picked on our poor innocents abroad, how the locals have, how those awful opposition fans have. Never our fault, always the scapegoats.

Utter f***ing turd of the highest order. Pissed up, taking trying to annex a square, abusing anyone that comes into their little corner of England they've taken over, bottles chucked, tables over etc etc etc. Poor little lost lambs my f***ing arse.

Accept we have and always will have a minority contingent that like nothing more than to kick off in a foreign town because the mono brain celled fuckwits never have and never will achieve a single thibg in their brief and unproductive stay on this planet.

Strange that after 2 days of listening to pissed up fans bellowing about military prowess in World War Two, amongst other things, the French police didn't fancy donning some riot gear and getting in the way of the Russian muscle men they knew were in town and looking for the English

It's tough for any genuine bystanders caught up in it, but I suspect sympathy will be in very short supply in France for the reasons you just mentioned.
 
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