God


Which writings are these little gems written in marra?
Is there one general source I could start with?
Apart from the Bible, obviously.😆
Probably the best book in my opinion is by Robert Eisenman and called James the Brother of Jesus. It is encyclopaedic in scope though so be warned.

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It appears to be a bit pricy these days but you can probably get a copy second hand on Ebay for around £10.

It also explains why the Eucharist is a false belief due to Jesus being a Nazarite (synonymous with Rechabite) as drinking of the fruit of the vine was prohibited and references to flesh were taboo. Christians will deny Jesus was a Nazarite because it suits their beliefs but James, the brother of Jesus who succeeded him as Zaddik took Paul to the Temple to take the vows of a Nazarite after Paul claimed to be converted. Why would James do that if that was not the teaching of Jesus?
 
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Probably the best book in my opinion is by Robert Eisenman and called James the Brother of Jesus. It is encyclopaedic in scope though so be warned.



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It appears to be a bit pricy these days but you can probably get a copy second hand on Ebay for around £10.

It also explains why the Eucharist is a false belief due to Jesus being a Nazarite (synonymous with Rechabite) as drinking of the fruit of the vine was prohibited and references to flesh were taboo. Christians will deny Jesus was a Nazarite because it suits their beliefs but James, the brother of Jesus who succeeded him as Zaddik took Paul to the Temple to take the vows of a Nazarite after Paul claimed to be converted. Why would James do that if that was not the teaching of Jesus?
Thank you. Will search a copy out.
 
Thank you. Will search a copy out.
You want the fully revised version with the cover shown above.

Eisenman's credentials are very good. He was one of the main scholars who petitioned for the Dead Sea Scrolls to be made public.
A huninoid sky fairy that judges beings based on a constantly changing set of moral instruction? That I don't believe in, no.

So I believe in a higher power, not so sure. It's probably above human comprehension to fully understand how the universe was created tbh, simply because there will always be a question of what was in the void before that creation. Which is something even the best scientific minds can't really offer any answers for.

That said I think looking at different religions in different timescales that Hinduism (or at least a sect of Hinduism) has probably hit nearest the mark.

A section of belief there is that everything is inter-connected. Essentially the universe is one single entity of which we are a part of so every individual, animal, plant, rock etc is as much a god as anything else in it.

When you die your energy is just recycled into the universe. The essence of you mind may be gone but you soul (energy/matter) becomes a part of something else.

This can be highlighted in that humans, and all things on this planet are made from stardust, the chaotic and brutal destruction of previous solar systems exploding into itself and the remains reforming into something new (extremely simplified btw) and the results of that being in our DNA.

In essence nothing dies but rather transforms.

We have a lot of proof of the ancients being very interested in astrology and I think modern humans often discredit how intelligent some of them were. I think modern religion stems from ancient religions whereby the religions have been put in relatable terms (using humans in parables to explain events to make it more understandable for the layman's) and from there it's either snowballed into what it is now and/or smart people have used it as a way to control/gain power.
It is of note that most religions are based on the beliefs of those who never met the particular Master whose teachings they are based on. So we have Christianity based on the concepts of Paul with the actual teachings of Jesus on how to practice The Way (as referred to in Mark) being a desirable but not essential side-line.

As Paul claimed Faith in the supernatural Jesus was more important than Works based on the teachings of Jesus but he would say that as he never met Jesus. Baptism with Spirit is replaced with Baptism with Water by the Roman church because they did not have the power to perform Baptism with Spirit as Jesus did. By the time the Emperor decided to adopt Christianity they needed a good reference to claim authenticity so it is claimed Peter visited Rome when there is no evidence he ever did and even Paul never mentions him in his Letter to The Romans where he gives credit to everyone involved except of course Peter.

Then later figures hijack the religion for their own political uses.
 
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Sounds good but unfortunately its a hoax
The good points of religion are also its bad points
a set of moral codes /control of the masses for example
 
...That said I think looking at different religions in different timescales that Hinduism (or at least a sect of Hinduism) has probably hit nearest the mark.

A section of belief there is that everything is inter-connected. Essentially the universe is one single entity of which we are a part of so every individual, animal, plant, rock etc is as much a god as anything else in it....

Good point and Hinduism, which simply means the religions of the Hindu people, has several schools some of which are theist and others atheist, does have many different perspectives.

The Astika (theist/orthodox) schools include Samkhya (Ancient Yoga), Yoga, Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Mimamsa and Vedanta (Upanishads). It is interesting that Samkhya has always held a theory of evolution. Not exactly Darwinism but nevertheless a theory older than the Gita (events dated to around 900 BCE). The Vaisheshika school is known for its insights in naturalism.

The Nastika (atheist/heterodox) schools include Buddhism, Jainism, Charvaka and Ajivika. Both Charvaka and Ajivika are materialism schools but the former believes in free will whereas the latter denies the existence of free will.

Generally speaking the astika are dualistic (dvaita) belief systems that believe in a separate God and Soul whereas the latter are non-dualistic (advaita) and deny such concepts. Over the millennia both perspectives of dualism and non-dualism have exchanged ideas and so Advaita Vedanta emerged which is non-dualistic Vedanta. In the West such a discussion and interchange of ideas hasn't really happened and most religious schools are trapped in dogma which to me indicates they are dead religions.

I'll probably be criticised for being typically verbose as I attempt to sum up thousands of years of philosophical development in a few sentences but who gives a fuck ;)
 
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I'm a card carrying atheist but I can see many benefits from having a community that you belong to that is supportive and has a fairly decent moral code to live by. If people are happier and more content and society is calmer and more ordered then God would be a good thing. It's almost as if he needed to be invented.
 
I'm a card carrying atheist but I can see many benefits from having a community that you belong to that is supportive and has a fairly decent moral code to live by. If people are happier and more content and society is calmer and more ordered then God would be a good thing. It's almost as if he needed to be invented.

I don't disagree with what you have written there. However, I' not particularly religious myself but I manage fine to stick to the laws, be nice to people and I make a huge voluntary contribution to the community where I live. So there doesn't need to be any supernatural or religious ruleset around it all for what you have written to be successful in any community.
Not for me. Unless energy, density and heat are the creator.
If they'd been rewarded with capital letters they would sound like characters from a Terry Pratchett novel.
 
Doesn’t it take god-like knowledge to be an atheist? 😀

Surely agnostic is the proper term for someone who doesn't believe in the gods of religions but can't be 100% sure that there isn't some sort of a higher force? I describe myself as an agnostic for that reason and would imagine most "atheists" to take a similar non-absolutist view.

No. It simply means that either no or insufficient evidence for the existence of their deity has been provided by theists. There have been 10000 gods worshipped by humans throughout history and Christians don't believe in 9999 of them so they are virtually atheists themselves.
 
The Christian God? No. But I do believe there is something huge and incomprehensible that we may or may not find out about....the meaning or source of existence on a space time level.
I reckon If we finally crack unified field theory the moon emits loads of fireworks cracks open and Level 2 is protected onto the sky
 
My views are that religion was probably invented to keep the uneducated masses under control.

It is now clearly holding humanity back in terms of development of any common goal for the planet. Countries next door to each other have hatred as their god is better than the other god. It even happens in the same city.

And this is the crazy bit. Lets just say that Jesus did exist and did do miraculous things along with similar vistitations from other 'gods' then they arent gods at all, they were/are aliens by the definition of something from an alien world/the heavens/not of this planet/dimension.

Theres absolutely no getting away from the fact that a huge percentage of the planet are therefore worshipping aliens.
 
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I don't disagree with what you have written there. However, I' not particularly religious myself but I manage fine to stick to the laws, be nice to people and I make a huge voluntary contribution to the community where I live. So there doesn't need to be any supernatural or religious ruleset around it all for what you have written to be successful in any community.

The problem is for that to work it needs a cohesive philosophy and some decent rules. A God comes in handy to get people to stick to the rules.

I do think we have thrown the baby out with the bath water when it comes to restrictions on individuals v personal freedom.
 
Yes and no.

Taoist, so do believe that there is something incredibly powerful within the fabric of the universe itself, but it isn't sentient and doesn't want a relationship with us. I have said for years that if I die and there is a god, I won't be the one with any explaining to do.
 

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