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I am a firm believer that organised religion is no more than a control mechanism for the masses.
However, I think having a faith in an overall good (which I personally don't), gives solace to a great many people.
Its the political organising of mainstream religions that creates the problems imo.
 
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Probably a big correlation between a decline in belief in Christianity and decline in moral standards in society. Regardless of beliefs, guiding principles of Christianity are sound - love thy neighbour etc.
My mother says this but when we had more religion it was illegal to be gay, legal to own other humans, rape and beat your wife who could not vote to change those laws.
No doubt do unto others is a fine message as long as you forget the hate homosexuals, endorsing slavery, incest and genocide but other than that is a fine philosophy to live by
 
My mother says this but when we had more religion it was illegal to be gay, legal to own other humans, rape and beat your wife who could not vote to change those laws.
No doubt do unto others is a fine message as long as you forget the hate homosexuals, endorsing slavery, incest and genocide but other than that is a fine philosophy to live by
This.
It is the organising of the religions, and strict rules enforced by the heirarchy that facilitates this.
If there ever was a guy called Jesus (which I personally doubt), from the readings I have seen, he would not have wanted oppression of his followers to that degree. He would not have agreed with the strictures placed on people in such a way, in his name.
Only politicians dressed up as holymen would invent such a regime.
 
I don’t follow any religion, but I’m probably floating somewhere between atheism and agnosticism.
 
Remember when the SMB was obsessed with this topic?

I'm atheist but apparently not atheist enough during the Halcion days of Dawkins and St Christopher. I wonder if that's changed now?
Well again it's all about Euro-Centric definitions. Yet atheist beliefs have been around as long as theist ones in some parts of the world. Jainism predates Buddhism which itself dates to around 500 BCE and both are atheist with no belief in a supreme God. Buddhism states that belief in a God and/or individual soul comes from a fear of emptiness in the mind which seeks for something to grasp onto.

However, we will never get around to discussing the difference between dualism (theist) and non-dualism (atheist) on this forum. The argument has to be between Abrahamic Theism and Physicalist Atheism. Not so sure now I could even be arsed. I'm atheist but not sure if that complies with the SMB definition and consensus but who gives a fuck :D
This.
It is the organising of the religions, and strict rules enforced by the heirarchy that facilitates this.
If there ever was a guy called Jesus (which I personally doubt), from the readings I have seen, he would not have wanted oppression of his followers to that degree. He would not have agreed with the strictures placed on people in such a way, in his name.
Only politicians dressed up as holymen would invent such a regime.
Jesus or Yeshua did exist and the Christian church that emerged in Rome based on the concepts of Paul and the supernatural Christ (a Greek concept) is heretic. The followers of Jesus at the time were the Ebionites (The Poor) who believed Jesus was simply a human being with the title of Zaddik (Teacher of Righteousness) but we've dome this so many time over the years.
 
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Jesus or Yeshua did exist and the Christian church that emerged in Rome based on the concepts of Paul and the supernatural Christ (a Greek concept) is heretic. The followers of Jesus at the time were the Ebionites (The Poor) who believed Jesus was simply a human being with the title of Zaddik (Teacher of Righteousness) but we've dome this so many time over the years.
Perhaps I didn't phrase it correctly. My fault.
I meant the existance of Jesus as the "Son of God".
Perfectly prepared to accept the existance of the man, just not the dubious association to an all encompassing God.
 
Perhaps I didn't phrase it correctly. My fault.
I meant the existance of Jesus as the "Son of God".
Perfectly prepared to accept the existance of the man, just not the dubious association to an all encompassing God.
Yes, he only referred to himself as Ben Adam...Son of Adam....Son of Man...Human Being and never as Ben Adonai, Ben Yahweh or Ben Elohim. Some scholars believe Paul is the one referred to in the Dead Sea Scrolls as the Liar, the Enemy, the Spouter of Lies. They were written by the Essene which are considered synonymous with Ebionite and were based in Jericho and at Qumran.
 
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Yes, he only referred to himself as Ben Adam...Son of Adam....Son of Man...Human Being and never as Ben Adonai, Ben Yahweh or Ben Elohim.
Which writings are these little gems written in marra?
Is there one general source I could start with?
Apart from the Bible, obviously.😆
 
The question to what constitutes the answer to life, the universe and everything is a fascinating one. What will satisfy a thinking person? How will they know they've found what they've always been seeking?

The Abrahamic holy books are all about submission and domination. The founding myth of abrahamism is that God dominates Abraham to such and extent that Abraham is willing to murder his own innocent son for no other reason than to show how obedient he is to God.

Scientific materialism is absurd it can’t be true it can’t answer it’s own answers.
Are the laws of materialism themselves material? If they’re not how can they exist since only matter exists? If they are then why aren’t they subject to material decay like all other matter? Science is only successful because of mathematics.

Illuminism is the Grand Unified Theory of Everything. Everything is untied in the singularity of living mathematics.
This is the absolute and undeniable truth of existence. This is the Gospel. This is the true good news.
 
Yes, that is madness. In only a few years to come we will look back on faith schools, and what they are actually teaching children to believe, with bafflement.
Faith schools are going no where, primarily because they can use selection criteria that other schools aren’t allowed to.

Good behaviour in faith schools isn’t because of the word of the lord. It’s because they have stricter selection and exclusion criteria
 
It also shows how close Christians are to the atheist / rational position.
Rational people don't believe in 5,000 gods. Christians believe in only 1 of those gods and their opinion of the other 4,999 is charged with some degree of ridiculousness.
So they are 99+% of the way there.
Very apt avatar for this thread marra👍
 

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