Gas Boiler Flue

Discussion in 'SMB' started by dundeemackem, Jun 12, 2019.

  1. dundeemackem

    dundeemackem Central Defender

    OK Gas & Heating Engineers of the SMB....need your advice.

    Bought flat in 2017 (Bryant Homes built in 2006)
    Has the same boiler in since built- no issues. Works fine.
    Serviced before we bought- no issues raised.
    We are now looking to sell and engineer has said boiler is fine, but flue is too close to opening window.
    He has stated new boiler required.
    I measured the flue today, it is 280mm from the window (minimum 300mm). Replacing an entire functioning boiler for 20mm seems a bit OTT.

    My question is:

    The boiler was installed in 2007 before 2008 regulations- do they apply to it now?
    If so, can we not just put a flue diverter on to take it 300mm away from the nearest opening?
     
  2. the boot

    the boot Midfield

    Yes if you want to sell it unfortunately. Same as if you wanted to rent it. They update the regs normally to keep us safe. You would not leave as asbestos from the 60s in there.
    As far as the flue diverter goes this could be done as long as it’s within the regs. I’m sure the flues have changed since then too though.
     
  3. stretch

    stretch Striker

    Change the widow to a bottom opener or fixed.
    Will be cheaper than a boiler move I would imagine

    Pm if need advive
     
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  4. the boot

    the boot Midfield

    Have a like.
     
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  5. tenpins

    tenpins Midfield

    He won't be able to in a flat.
    Unless he gets permission from the freeholder which is unlikely.
     
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  6. stretch

    stretch Striker

    Your best off reading or downloading the boiler manual.
    There’s usually a drawing that shows you how close you can be.
    I measure up for extensions every day and have to stick to these regulations.
     
  7. MackemBob

    MackemBob Winger

    I don’t think freehold applies in Scotland. Factoring is the norm up here so changing windows should most likely not be an issue.
     
  8. stretch

    stretch Striker

    Put a screw through the sash so it can’t open.
     
  9. dundeemackem

    dundeemackem Central Defender

    Thanks for replies. Yes, I wouldn’t need permission to change the window but it’s not a route I’ll be going down. Third floor needs windows that open to clean as no window cleaner.

    Can you put a smaller flue on which maybe reduces the diameter of the flue by 20mm in order to be compliant?

    I understand that regs are there for a reason but it’s been this way for 13 years with no ill effect. It would be the equivalent of getting a speeding ticket for driving at 71mph on the motorway.
     
  10. superdougle

    superdougle Midfield

    Bottom opener is still an openable window, needs to fixed permanent
     
  11. dundeemackem

    dundeemackem Central Defender

    That was my thought too. Regs state it’s to the nearest open segment.
     
  12. stretch

    stretch Striker

    If it’s below the flu?
     
  13. I'm Spartacus

    I'm Spartacus Winger

    Is it definitely 280 from the side of the flue to the opening and not the frame or window boundary?
     
  14. superdougle

    superdougle Midfield

    Yep
     
  15. SPUFF

    SPUFF Striker

    By diverter do you just mean a black plastic bend on end of flue?

    After a re-gig our flue was soaking a wall so added one. Likely to be against regs now maybe but not looking to move anytime.
     
  16. Roger

    Roger The Gaffer Staff Member

    I was under the impression that the flue stuff was building regulations and not gas safety ones. (I confess I am not an expert on either)

    Obviously it applies to new installations, so if the boiler was replaced it would have to meet the latest regs. But I have never heard of these being applied retrospectively.

    Also like the OP I fail to see why the boiler needs replaced, when only the flue is at fault - it might make sense to replace the boiler at the same time, if its old but technically, what is wrong with fitting a different flue?
     
  17. SPUFF

    SPUFF Striker

  18. Daffy

    Daffy Striker

    If the boiler is a high efficiency model you should be able to buy a plume kit for it
    That will solve the problem
    300 mm to opening window reg has been around ages
    Looks like it was installed incorrectly
     
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  19. Scotsmackem

    Scotsmackem Striker

    Not an issue in Scotland
     
  20. the boot

    the boot Midfield

    The boiler doesn’t need replacing, the flue being that close to a window is a building reg but I’m sure the flue reg changed last year (different type) so any work done on the flue would have to be brought up to regs. Hence full replacement to bring it to gas regs, relocated to meet building regs.
    Mind it can come down to local authority regarding building works. Even individual inspectors.
    He could however leave it and sell the house cheaper (minus the cost) once again comes down to individual agents/solicitor. It’s an even greyer area when it comes to electrics.
     
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