Fruit Machines

buster

Winger
In Vegas playing the slots is a good way to get cheap drinks. They say they are free but the way we look at is if we put say 30 dollars into a machine and catch the cocktail waitress eye she will give the 2 of us a " free " drink. Tip the waitress 1 dollar and on her next round she comes to us. While playing minimum stake and having the occasional win we can get 4 or 5 drinks each. so that costs 34 or 35 dollars, the same drinks at the bar would come in at more than 60 dollars, over a week in Vegas it comes in at a canny little saving. We both smoke so we can sit and have a drink and a smoke at the same time. Not always we do the initial stake and we have walked away slightly up on our initial stake so the drinks were free, but that didn't happen often.

Travel half way round the world , spend a few hours in front of a slot machine so you can get a few drinks cheap and save £20 or so.

Tremendous.
 

Kroupa

Subs Bench
Forgive me if I read that through a heavy mist of scepticism. :D
Sounds ridiculous I know, huge amounts of money in it! someone I know quite well actually went away with this guy and he paid him £400 a day just to sit next to the terminals in the bookies as he played, he said it gets quite hairy when you rock up to a Corals in Paisley with a southern accent and clean up £900 in 25 minutes!

I believe it's a one time thing as once one has been emptied it takes a lot of money/time till it'll pay out again, so having a edge knowing what ones to take on with the programming errors it's easy money! It gets quite territorial when certain areas are exploited without others knowing as they can equally lose big money, I've heard they'd travel from Ipswich direct to the Isle of Man just to beat the 'players' on the same trail :lol:
 

Tomma

Winger
Sounds ridiculous I know, huge amounts of money in it! someone I know quite well actually went away with this guy and he paid him £400 a day just to sit next to the terminals in the bookies as he played, he said it gets quite hairy when you rock up to a Corals in Paisley with a southern accent and clean up £900 in 25 minutes!

I believe it's a one time thing as once one has been emptied it takes a lot of money/time till it'll pay out again, so having a edge knowing what ones to take on with the programming errors it's easy money! It gets quite territorial when certain areas are exploited without others knowing as they can equally lose big money, I've heard they'd travel from Ipswich direct to the Isle of Man just to beat the 'players' on the same trail :lol:
Does this mean that they aren't truly random then?
 

Cypher

Winger
Forgive me if I read that through a heavy mist of scepticism. :D
I read before about a group in America who were so technically adept that they could re-engineer video poker slot machines. They discovered slight glitches in certain machines and went around the country exploiting this. It was discovered at one point and although they didn't get caught it was game over. This was quite a few years ago now so I think that the chances of discovering any exploits/glitches in modern technology would be pretty much non-existent unless you yourself created and employed the exploit.

On the same topic this is a great talk given by Paul Wilson who was part of The Real Hustle TV program that ran for years over here. Well worth watching especially the part at the end where his friend goes through a range of old and new methods that were used to defraud casinos and gambling institutions. Some of them are brilliant - he talks about a newer one that has been used to defraud a casino that his friend is currently in jail for using - his friend invented it.

 

42

Midfield
:lol: This. I've obviously seen them in loads of pubs. I've seen loads of people pressing all the git buttons and stuff. I think very basic fruit machines I could roughly get (need to get three in a row, can hold a couple if you get two that match etc) but fuck me, some of these machines in pubs look complicated as fuck with no instructions so, probably wisely, I've just left them. I like the machines with quiz games like deal or no deal on, I can understand them and at least get a bit of fun out of them, but anything more complicated than that and I'm fucked
Im exactly the same. Also i find them quite anti-social. When you're out with mates, theres always one who'll just disappear for 30mins to play on them. Then expect everyone to come over & be bored out of their minds watching them press a few buttons.
 

ozz

Midfield
I almost lived in Seldons as a kid and often lost my bus fare on the bandits. One bank holiday weekend when it was packed I watched someone hoy a fortune in the cops and robbers machine. When they were finished I put my £1 in and emptied it. Couldn’t go wrong everything was coming in and repeating and holding on wins. Grant Seldon thought I was at it.
 
Forgive me if I read that through a heavy mist of scepticism. :D
Probably true once. I'd imagine most of the bookies ones are controlled remotely. Any glitch picked up now can probably be fixed from a head office somewhere, or at least the game with the glitch can be taken offline.

In the days where a bloke would come around and manually update/empty them I would say it's entirely feasible that there were people in the know!
 

Kroupa

Subs Bench
Does this mean that they aren't truly random then?
I've been told they have to be played a certain amount of time say 100 minutes of consistent £2 spins to pay out the jackpot of £250 (they repeat so £500 jackpot) - Though these people know a way of finding out how many minutes it's already been played for? (This is the error part, I don't know what it is btw) so they can get on one that's had 80 minutes of playtime and hammer it for another 20 mins knowing you'll get £500 :eek: also can still make/lose money in the 20 minutes in-between.
 

Kroupa

Subs Bench
Probably true once. I'd imagine most of the bookies ones are controlled remotely. Any glitch picked up now can probably be fixed from a head office somewhere, or at least the game with the glitch can be taken offline.

In the days where a bloke would come around and manually update/empty them I would say it's entirely feasible that there were people in the know!
It's new games they have only been launched apparently? some shops get trial versions of the game before it goes national, it's these shops they play before hand and find out the glitch, yes they'll be fixed remotely but these buggers move fast and clean them out in days/weeks before it's corrected.
 

Billy2Sheds

Midfield
I've been told they have to be played a certain amount of time say 100 minutes of consistent £2 spins to pay out the jackpot of £250 (they repeat so £500 jackpot) - Though these people know a way of finding out how many minutes it's already been played for? (This is the error part, I don't know what it is btw) so they can get on one that's had 80 minutes of playtime and hammer it for another 20 mins knowing you'll get £500 :eek: also can still make/lose money in the 20 minutes in-between.
Tbh this sounds like shit. I've worked in online gambling for 10 years and the major online slot providers now also have the market share if retail estate too. The return to player (RTP)expressed as a % on the front of a bandit is measured over a massive volume if spins and payout is also affected by how volatile the individual game is -think of a scale of payouts combining frequency and value as a variation from a standard.

Not saying there aren't glitches that can't be exploited (this happens online too - but us easier to detect due to account based play and absence of cash plus the option to "approve" withdrawals) but the example you give us far too simplistic to be a true example of the scam
 
Tbh this sounds like shit. I've worked in online gambling for 10 years and the major online slot providers now also have the market share if retail estate too. The return to player (RTP)expressed as a % on the front of a bandit is measured over a massive volume if spins and payout is also affected by how volatile the individual game is -think of a scale of payouts combining frequency and value as a variation from a standard.

Not saying there aren't glitches that can't be exploited (this happens online too - but us easier to detect due to account based play and absence of cash plus the option to "approve" withdrawals) but the example you give us far too simplistic to be a true example of the scam
Interesting that you stated you work in online gambling. Always had a thought and never knew the answer. For example, Sky Vegas. They have 3 jackpots on selected games, 2 of which "must be won by" a certain number. There are about 2o games to choose from that incorporate that offer. Are the games that the jackpot may win on pre-selected or determined? Or can it literally be any of those 20?

Also wondered, the "must be won by" big jackpot is set at 35,000, is it pre-programmed to never drop until it hits a certain amount or is it completely random? There's also a massive jackpot of over 2 million, and again just always wondered if that's completely random or they select when that can and can't be won.
 

Billy2Sheds

Midfield
Interesting that you stated you work in online gambling. Always had a thought and never knew the answer. For example, Sky Vegas. They have 3 jackpots on selected games, 2 of which "must be won by" a certain number. There are about 2o games to choose from that incorporate that offer. Are the games that the jackpot may win on pre-selected or determined? Or can it literally be any of those 20?

Also wondered, the "must be won by" big jackpot is set at 35,000, is it pre-programmed to never drop until it hits a certain amount or is it completely random? There's also a massive jackpot of over 2 million, and again just always wondered if that's completely random or they select when that can and can't be won.
On any UKGC licensed operator the outcomes of any game will be driven by an independently tested random number generator (RNG) due to recent action by the CMA around compliance with consumer law and fairness if T&C's unless the operator states that there is a limit jackpot must reach before it can possibly be won then again it could drop before that. The industry at least among the big players in the UK has moved on massively in terms of transparency and adherence to consumer information and protection. Imho Skybet lead the way on this (I don't and gave never worked for them but know people there). Disclaimer: the odds in any RNG driven environment are obviously algorithm based and statistically random (no programming is ever truly random by definition but will pass the "die hard" test) the RTP is always less than 100% do the casino will always "win".
 

Kroupa

Subs Bench
Tbh this sounds like shit. I've worked in online gambling for 10 years and the major online slot providers now also have the market share if retail estate too. The return to player (RTP)expressed as a % on the front of a bandit is measured over a massive volume if spins and payout is also affected by how volatile the individual game is -think of a scale of payouts combining frequency and value as a variation from a standard.

Not saying there aren't glitches that can't be exploited (this happens online too - but us easier to detect due to account based play and absence of cash plus the option to "approve" withdrawals) but the example you give us far too simplistic to be a true example of the scam
I'm only going by what I've been told secondhand, I understand the fixed % payout and the other factors you mentioned, this is all relevant during the duration of playing the game it's the certain time mark that seems to be the glitch, eg at 100 minutes you get a guarantee jackpot win with the next feature after that point, I'm sure it can only be done once also on each machine that's why they do it then move-on rather than wait for it to be played again, it's a certain game too, it sounds like it's the first cycle after its been added to the library of games on the machine.

The guy we know who does this had huge debts (from gambling) went away and cleared them all! also making loads on top all in 3 weeks or so, was being told very specific routes to travel Yeovil to Worcester then straight to North of Scotland, before he left he was skint as was always trying to borrow money, then this glitch come on, he's had similar in the past too, recall him touring the country to play machines specifically in Gala bingo halls :p

Maybe I've not explained it correctly but this stuff definitely goes on and it's huge money!
 
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On any UKGC licensed operator the outcomes of any game will be driven by an independently tested random number generator (RNG) due to recent action by the CMA around compliance with consumer law and fairness if T&C's unless the operator states that there is a limit jackpot must reach before it can possibly be won then again it could drop before that. The industry at least among the big players in the UK has moved on massively in terms of transparency and adherence to consumer information and protection. Imho Skybet lead the way on this (I don't and gave never worked for them but know people there). Disclaimer: the odds in any RNG driven environment are obviously algorithm based and statistically random (no programming is ever truly random by definition but will pass the "die hard" test) the RTP is always less than 100% do the casino will always "win".
Makes sense mate, cheers! Always wondered if the said game itself was more “likely” to win than others.
 

Billy2Sheds

Midfield
Makes sense mate, cheers! Always wondered if the said game itself was more “likely” to win than others.
Honestly if you're going to gamble on casino / slots - Skybet are a trustworthy operator - setting the standard in online in UK. Their CEO Richard Flint recently announced he's stepping down so hopefully they continue to ramp up standards after his departure. As I said before I don't work for them and now work for a supplier in the industry but have worked for done if their competitors and all are above board but skybet lead the way. When I first joined this industry in early 2000s prior to Gambling Act 2014 and point of consumption tax (meaning offshore bookies had to pay tax on UK revenue and adhere to UK regulatory requirements) it was a completely different world....
 

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