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You think a rescinded red card against mensah was correct? To give a penalty outside the box?

Think you're quite fair normally but when this is how you defend friend :lol:

Yeah fair enough mate,forgot about that one can't argue with that,was making a general point that people purely look at the stats rather than the actual incidents before making their mind up.
 
Tbf the penalty was on the lineman, it was his fuck up. The ref has always got to go with the person in line with calls liken that

Maybe so but you still can't use it to defend friend - at the end of the day he should see it's not a red card, in the box or no

Yeah fair enough mate,forgot about that one can't argue with that,was making a general point that people purely look at the stats rather than the actual incidents before making their mind up.

I'd agree to a point because all sorts of things will influence decisions when taken in isolation, but the stats also lend weight to the argument of bias. It's a two way street imo
 
Fair enough with that last point mate,you are right we see things from different angles enjoyed the crack though.

The first yellow cards for Cana and Cattermole were very, very soft. Both players were stupid giving him no option with the second ones mind.

One of the problems with Friend is not just the amount of bad calls he makes against us (and the list is outstanding) it's also the inconsistency of the 'small' fouls within a game. He often yellow cards our player for his first foul, or for 'fouls' he doesn't pull the opposition on. Why? I've no idea mate, but the facts are there to see.

This isn't about refs in general, they have a bloody difficult job and one I don't envy in today's climate of replays, diving etc, this is about Kevin Friend. A ref who for whatever reason has fucked us over time and time again over a 5 year period.
 
I'm utterly baffled that people on here knows who referees our games to such a degree. I have absolutely no idea who referees our games, take absolutely no interest in them and consequently I cant say I've ever picked up an agenda by any referee, ever, against us.
 
I'm utterly baffled that people on here knows who referees our games to such a degree. I have absolutely no idea who referees our games, take absolutely no interest in them and consequently I cant say I've ever picked up an agenda by any referee, ever, against us.

Well you have the facts on Friend in front of you. Maybe have a look at his record.
 
not even wiping my arse with that
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Well you have the facts on Friend in front of you. Maybe have a look at his record.
TBH the oldest excuse in a football fans book is to blame the referee when your/our/their team loses. I'm not having it like. Same for both sides. Friend refereeing our games has nothing to do with us losing. We're simply shite thats all.
 
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TBH the oldest excuse in a football fans book is to blame the referee when your/our/their team loses. I'm not having it like. Same for both sides. Friend refereeing our games has nothing to do with us losing. We're simply shite thats all.

Missing the point fella. This is about Friend, not about how shit we were. No disagreement there, or the fact we deserved to lose.
 
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TBH the oldest excuse in a football fans book is to blame the referee when your/our/their team loses. I'm not having it like. Same for both sides. Friend refereeing our games has nothing to do with us losing. We're simply shite thats all.

we were horrific on Sunday but for the life of me I can't work out how that wasn't a pen - I think the game is too big now to be left to 3 officials on the pitch - there is simply too much money involved to countenance the weekly fuck-ups, especially when the technology is readily available.
 
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TBH the oldest excuse in a football fans book is to blame the referee when your/our/their team loses. I'm not having it like. Same for both sides. Friend refereeing our games has nothing to do with us losing. We're simply shite thats all.


Nobody is arguing about us being shite, its about how shite refs are when in charge of our games, however thats not worth debating with you as you never know who refs our games. Did he disallow a blatant penalty and red card for Bradford at the weekend? Freind refeeering does have an impact, we are not very good, but this fucker has an agenda, and for someone who claims not to know the refs at our games, how do you know he hasnt an agenda?
 
we were horrific on Sunday but for the life of me I can't work out how that wasn't a pen - I think the game is too big now to be left to 3 officials on the pitch - there is simply too much money involved to countenance the weekly fuck-ups, especially when the technology is readily available.
He got the decision wrong. I have to say that I didnt particularly notice his decision making. If Hackett, who I remember from way back when ie his name, says that the current crop are the worst ever then fair enough but I dont see any bias at the SOL when we play. Swings and roundabouts to me.

Nobody is arguing about us being shite, its about how shite refs are when in charge of our games, however thats not worth debating with you as you never know who refs our games. Did he disallow a blatant penalty and red card for Bradford at the weekend? Freind refeeering does have an impact, we are not very good, but this fucker has an agenda, and for someone who claims not to know the refs at our games, how do you know he hasnt an agenda?
How do you know he does?

We can play this game all night. If the club are that bothered about him then they are free to make a complaint. I doubt they will because they know that its all swings and roudnabouts with referees and the decisions they make. You right I never take notice of the referees because they all appear much of a muchness to me. If this bloke was absolutely shit I'd have noticed him. I havent.
 
He got the decision wrong. I have to say that I didnt particularly notice his decision making. If Hackett, who I remember from way back when ie his name, says that the current crop are the worst ever then fair enough but I dont see any bias at the SOL when we play. Swings and roundabouts to me.


How do you know he does?

We can play this game all night. If the club are that bothered about him then they are free to make a complaint. I doubt they will because they know that its all swings and roudnabouts with referees and the decisions they make. You right I never take notice of the referees because they all appear much of a muchness to me. If this bloke was absolutely shit I'd have noticed him. I havent.


In an earlier post you stated you dont notice any refs, who are the absolutely shit refs then? Or are there none. I am not playing any games, you are, this bloke has an agenda, you dont want to admit it, you have never noticed it, but its been pointed out numerous times on this thread and you still cant see/acknowledge it. Carry on with your game, and by the way, it in no way disguises how shit we have been, but this joker shouldnt ref us for the rest of the season
 
He got the decision wrong. I have to say that I didnt particularly notice his decision making. If Hackett, who I remember from way back when ie his name, says that the current crop are the worst ever then fair enough but I dont see any bias at the SOL when we play. Swings and roundabouts to me.


How do you know he does?

We can play this game all night. If the club are that bothered about him then they are free to make a complaint. I doubt they will because they know that its all swings and roudnabouts with referees and the decisions they make. You right I never take notice of the referees because they all appear much of a muchness to me. If this bloke was absolutely shit I'd have noticed him. I havent.

The only one who stands out as good is Clattenburg but he's a mag so he can't ref our games - I doubt they're corrupt or have an agenda (though in Italy in 2006 such things were found to have gone on) - but the game is a huge industry now and the mismatch between that and the competence of the officials is glaring and yet sports with much less money seem to be light years ahead.

Friend gave Bradford pretty much everything on Sunday, not that they needed that much help. Atkinson against QPR - how could he not have booked Henry for that challenge on Gomez, or Barton for that pull back on Johnson, and then he had to book him when he did it again 30 seconds later - Barton should have received 2 yellows. Doesn't mask how shite we were but these decisions/ fuck ups change games.
 
The only one who stands out as good is Clattenburg but he's a mag so he can't ref our games - I doubt they're corrupt or have an agenda (though in Italy in 2006 such things were found to have gone on) - but the game is a huge industry now and the mismatch between that and the competence of the officials is glaring and yet sports with much less money seem to be light years ahead.

Friend gave Bradford pretty much everything on Sunday, not that they needed that much help. Atkinson against QPR - how could he not have booked Henry for that challenge on Gomez, or Barton for that pull back on Johnson, and then he had to book him when he did it again 30 seconds later - Barton should have received 2 yellows. Doesn't mask how shite we were but these decisions/ fuck ups change games.

I used to think mags weren't allowed to referee our matches. Can they do Friendlies?
 
The only one who stands out as good is Clattenburg but he's a mag so he can't ref our games - I doubt they're corrupt or have an agenda (though in Italy in 2006 such things were found to have gone on) - but the game is a huge industry now and the mismatch between that and the competence of the officials is glaring and yet sports with much less money seem to be light years ahead.

Friend gave Bradford pretty much everything on Sunday, not that they needed that much help. Atkinson against QPR - how could he not have booked Henry for that challenge on Gomez, or Barton for that pull back on Johnson, and then he had to book him when he did it again 30 seconds later - Barton should have received 2 yellows. Doesn't mask how shite we were but these decisions/ fuck ups change games.

The fact you state that only one stands out as good actually proves how difficult a job it is,What it shows it is extremely difficult for a ref to be seen in a good light because fans don't remember the good decisions (there are many ) only the bad ones.

I totally agree it is a huge industry but to me I firmly believe if people at the very top of the profession are making mistakes that proves help is required.

Every single week IMO it is proven too hard for the human eye to get theses decisions right with one look and spilt second to decide.

People talk about the competency of refs,but I am convinced these mistakes have always been made just highlighted more,and if every ref was replaced tomorrow the same mistakes would happen nothing is more sure.

The debate should be how we can help refs more whether technology or whatever,just slagging of these inevitable mistakes will achieve nothing.

The first yellow cards for Cana and Cattermole were very, very soft. Both players were stupid giving him no option with the second ones mind.

One of the problems with Friend is not just the amount of bad calls he makes against us (and the list is outstanding) it's also the inconsistency of the 'small' fouls within a game. He often yellow cards our player for his first foul, or for 'fouls' he doesn't pull the opposition on. Why? I've no idea mate, but the facts are there to see.

This isn't about refs in general, they have a bloody difficult job and one I don't envy in today's climate of replays, diving etc, this is about Kevin Friend. A ref who for whatever reason has fucked us over time and time again over a 5 year period.

The second yellow cards of Cana and Cattermole were beyond stupid,especially Cana's, when do players have to take responsibility for their unprofessional behaviour.

I was listening to the match on talksport while driving on Sunday and on the pen incident the bloke on commentary said the defender denied Fletcher with a brilliant goal saving tackle.

Now of course he was dead wrong as a certain pen and he said as much at half time,but just goes to show at one look how someone's view can be different.

Maybe so but you still can't use it to defend friend - at the end of the day he should see it's not a red card, in the box or no



I'd agree to a point because all sorts of things will influence decisions when taken in isolation, but the stats also lend weight to the argument of bias. It's a two way street imo

You are dead right mate the stats of course lend weight to the argument of bias,however when people have time to reflect there is no reason or motive for Friend to be bias,loads of posts on this subject but nobody has come up with a valid reason why he would be biased,best people have come up with he must not like us,surely nobody would put their career at risk simply because they don't like a team.

He was ref in 2 of the games we beat Man City 1 0 best team in the country,I am sure if truly biased there would have points in that game to allow Man city to win those,when I put that argument to someone before they said he must not like Man City too,(that is such a weak argument)
 
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The decision was inexcusable to get wrong. It was a desperate challenge from behind, I still cant believe he didnt give it. An absolute bottle job. Easily the worst ref in the league.
 
Missing the point fella. This is about Friend, not about how shit we were. No disagreement there, or the fact we deserved to lose.
This is the point some are missing. We are in no way excusing the fact that we were awful or blaming Friend for the fact we were awful.
But just because we were awful shouldn't mean you should be blind to the fact he was bloody awful too.
 
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