France bans the Burka


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They have no religious significants and are worn by suppressed women to show respect to there husbands

Ban them now!!!!
The muslim girls I have heard talk about headwear have come across as intelligent and thoughtful, say they are worn from choice and are for modesty. They want to keep their hair and face for their men's eyes. The majority do choose just the hijab (hair covering) rather than the full face covering though. I hate bans of everything! FREEDOM OF CHOICE!
 
The muslim girls I have heard talk about headwear have come across as intelligent and thoughtful, say they are worn from choice and are for modesty. They want to keep their hair and face for their men's eyes. The majority do choose just the hijab (hair covering) rather than the full face covering though. I hate bans of everything! FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

Of course they will say that. They have been conditioned to think that way by their repressive religion. Covering your face in public is not right in our culture. They should respect that really rather than a ban.
 
France on the most part tries to be secualr and this is just part of it in my eyes.

I think theres things to be learnt by operating a secular society,.

schools are a perfect example.
 
The problem with this ban is that it doesn't solve the real issue. If women are being forced to wear burkas by their husbands or parents, for example, then banning the item of clothing doesn't get to the root of the problem. All I can see a ban like this achieving is creating a feeling of marginalisation and oppression amongst those it's aimed at. If anything, more moderate muslim women may now take up wearing the burka as an act of solidarity and defiance.

If women are choosing to wear burkas, then so be it, it is their choice. If they're being forced to wear it, then it's an attitude/cultural issue, which can only be solved by education and integration.
 
The problem with this ban is that it doesn't solve the real issue. If women are being forced to wear burkas by their husbands or parents, for example, then banning the item of clothing doesn't get to the root of the problem. All I can see a ban like this achieving is creating a feeling of marginalisation and oppression amongst those it's aimed at. If anything, more moderate muslim women may now take up wearing the burka as an act of solidarity and defiance.

If women are choosing to wear burkas, then so be it, it is their choice. If they're being forced to wear it, then it's an attitude/cultural issue, which can only be solved by education and integration.

So what?

Then they all get prosecuted and/or booted out of the country if they're not nationals.

When in Rome....
 
The problem with this ban is that it doesn't solve the real issue. If women are being forced to wear burkas by their husbands or parents, for example, then banning the item of clothing doesn't get to the root of the problem. All I can see a ban like this achieving is creating a feeling of marginalisation and oppression amongst those it's aimed at. If anything, more moderate muslim women may now take up wearing the burka as an act of solidarity and defiance.

If women are choosing to wear burkas, then so be it, it is their choice. If they're being forced to wear it, then it's an attitude/cultural issue, which can only be solved by education and integration.

what will happen in many cases is that the husbands / family will force the woman to stay indorrs even more unless chaperoned.

I don't like burqa's and do feel uncomfortable aroud them especially in this country, not so much if I'm in an Arab state where its much more the norm. I do feel oppression and pressure from family is why most wear them but I don't know if banning in public places is the right route.. I aint got the answers.
 
So what?

Then they all get prosecuted and/or booted out of the country if they're not nationals.

When in Rome....

Again, doesn't root out the issue though does it?

In fact, it just creates more anger and generates extremism. Hardly a wise move.

what will happen in many cases is that the husbands / family will force the woman to stay indorrs even more unless chaperoned.

I don't like burqa's and do feel uncomfortable aroud them especially in this country, not so much if I'm in an Arab state where its much more the norm. I do feel oppression and pressure from family is why most wear them but I don't know if banning in public places is the right route.. I aint got the answers.

I agree, its no doubt a cultural and religious "norm", which can only be broken by education and integration. The more the women being forced to dress like this are exposed to western ideas of freedom of dress etc the more likely they are to stop wearing it. A ban just forces them back inside and marginalises them. It doesn't help or challenge the core beliefs that are the real issue.
 
I suspect that more people will wear the Burqa as a result of his ban. Not really sure of the purpose of this ban either. Is it just to appease the soft shites who are offended or scared by it? You might as well ban tattoos or facial piercing.

Seems all kinds of daft to me.
 
I suspect that more people will wear the Burqa as a result of his ban. Not really sure of the purpose of this ban either. Is it just to appease the soft shites who are offended or scared by it? You might as well ban tattoos or facial piercing.

Seems all kinds of daft to me.

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is it not to do with practical stuff like identification ? i read something about driving for example

essentially its to stop people walking around masked in public places

yes it may provoke extremism but whose fault is that ? the communities failing to adapt and to integrate. can only blame governments for so much, you have to look at your own behaviour as well.
 
We could be a bit different from the rest and make it law for all muslim women to wear a burka, that would show us to be a really thoughtful nation
 
is it not to do with practical stuff like identification ? i read something about driving for example

essentially its to stop people walking around masked in public places

yes it may provoke extremism but whose fault is that ? the communities failing to adapt and to integrate. can only blame governments for so much, you have to look at your own behaviour as well.

I gather that's the rationale to some degree, and in that sense I have some sympathy with it, but it doesn't mean the other issues will go away as a result.

It's a centuries old practice, with a lot of history, tradition, and emotional power behind it. Just ignoring that because of a security consideration isn't going to work out I don't think.
 
is it not to do with practical stuff like identification ? i read something about driving for example

essentially its to stop people walking around masked in public places

yes it may provoke extremism but whose fault is that ? the communities failing to adapt and to integrate. can only blame governments for so much, you have to look at your own behaviour as well.

Sometimes law doesn't have a place when it comes to personal choice and freedom. For me these kind of decisions are made with the muslim community in mind. By targeting the Burka wearing groups (ie the more extreme elements) you are pushing them away/radicalising them rather than rooting out and addressing the real issues.

What next, ban nuns's headdresses?
 
Sometimes law doesn't have a place when it comes to personal choice and freedom. For me these kind of decisions are made with the muslim community in mind. By targeting the Burka wearing groups (ie the more extreme elements) you are pushing them away/radicalising them rather than rooting out and addressing the real issues.

What next, ban nuns's headdresses?

That doesnt mask the face
 
Beard, sunglasses and baseball cap combos do. I know that would be covered by this ban too, but it'd be interesting to see if it's ever enforced.

i doubt they will nick people for wearing a burkha
 
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