France bans the Burka


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There is no evidence to suggest a suspect wanted for the murder of Bradford PC Sharon Beshenivsky fled the country wearing a burka, according to Home Secretary John Reid.

It has been alleged that Mustaf Jamma posed as his sister, wore a veil and evaded airport checks before boarding a plane as he fled to his homeland, Somalia.
But when questioned over how this was allowed to happen, Dr Reid told Westminster journalists he had no evidence to suggest it did.
He said: “It is based on the premise that someone sneaked out of the country wearing a burka. I am not aware there is any evidence but I understand it is speculative rather than a factual thing.”

Two others tried it though

One of the 'July Bombers'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6378863.stm

And a wanted mosque leader

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6270626.stm
 
He hadn't set off a bomb, he wasn't a terrorist.

Regardless, I've said that everyone should be checked, I'm not sure what more you'd like other than a bit of frothing at the mouth. Your original point was that they couldn't be, that was wrong as I was wrong that someone had used a veil to flee the country.

Didn't it say he was to serve 35 years so he must have been pretty wanted.

I wasn't wrong as i asked the question if it was the case? I think you are a bit miffed Waxon put up a link to prove it happened :lol:

Am hardly foaming at the mouth, but it does show up our moderate approach to these issues.I think they should be banned personally, but our weak as piss stance means things like this are bound to happen.
 
I don't think that it should be banned. It's a cultural item of dress, nothing more.

That said it has no place in some of our institutions - schools for example and those who choose to wear it can't really complain if some people find it offensive.

Those who choose to wear it can't really be offended if a country decides to ban it either. Some countries have a dress code - get over it. But no, I wouldn't go as far as France.
 
Didn't it say he was to serve 35 years so he must have been pretty wanted.

I wasn't wrong as i asked the question if it was the case? I think you are a bit miffed Waxon put up a link to prove it happened :lol:

Am hardly foaming at the mouth, but it does show up our moderate approach to these issues.I think they should be banned personally, but our weak as piss stance means things like this are bound to happen.

:lol:

I'm not miffed at all and of course he was wanted, I just thought you'd know the facts, especially as there was a link provided.

Having reread your original post it was a question, so I apologise for that - even if it was asked in a way that seemed to indicate that you believed that to be the case :)

You are foaming a bit.

A moderate approach to clothing isn't such a bad thing.
 
See who wrote this piece
The decision by the French government to outlaw all forms of public face-masking, including the burka and niqab, is welcomed by all thinking Muslims around the world.

The Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford which has pioneered an enlightened and egalitarian Islam salutes France for its bold legislative steps to eradicate this hideous tribal dress code that is deliberately given a completely false veneer of Islam.

However, since Britain tackles social problems in its own particular way and has different ways of doing things, the scourge of this foreign face-masking fad that is unfortunately growing in popularity in the Muslim community has to be confronted imaginatively and not exclusively through legal channels.

What is critical is that every effort should be made to disparage and discourage this tribal trend and cultural custom from infesting British society.

France, like other Western nations, has sovereign rights to implement any laws passed by democratic consent. Its National Assembly overwhelmingly approved legislation making all facial concealment in public a criminal act. Although France is entitled to exercise its legislative powers, this is too blunt an instrument to combat the blight of burkas on Europe’s streets.

What is required is an orchestrated and multilateral strategy to expose the twisted theology and cultural sexism that underpins this pernicious foreign fashion.

It is important to understand why the burka and niqab have been expediently transformed into an emblem of Islam. Under the rapacious influence of Saudi Wahhabism and other extremist sects, many Muslim women in France and elsewhere have been conditioned by the repressive masculine fraternity that it is a religious necessity to completely conceal female identity in public.
More...So why can't we do this here? Just two arrests as France brings in burka ban (and the only real demo is in LONDON) All the Koran requires is that both genders dress modestly. But the misogynistic clergy defies the Koran text and distorts the reputed sayings (hadith) of the Prophet Muhammad (recorded over 250 years after his death) to elevate an archaic pre-Islamic convention into a contemporary religious imperative.

France has sovereign rights to implement any laws passed by democratic consent but its banning of wearing veils in public is too blunt an instrument to combat the blight of burkas on Europe's streets
Sadly, even here in the UK, most uninformed Muslims have succumbed to this vile Wahhabi-Deobandi propaganda to condone female face-masking on spurious theological grounds or inconsistent and bogus civil rights arguments.

Face-masking is a pre-Islamic Byzantine and Persian practice and is non-existent in the Koran. Indeed, since Muslim women are banned from hiding their faces while praying or when they perform the pilgrimage, why do they need to do so in the public realm?
Dr Taj Hargey, an Imam of the Oxford Islamic Congregation, believes burkas are the product of male chauvinism and not religious necessity
Women should be reminded that as face-masking is not found in Islam’s transcendent text, it is therefore a non-Koranic and un-Islamic habit, not a fundamental feature of their religion. Islam is not a faith of superficial symbolism.

All educated Muslims must resist the importation of this Saudi and Taliban face-mask, not only because it is cultural, non-religious and a security risk, but also because it disempowers women by making them invisible and isolated while discriminating against men who cannot hide their faces in public.

Furthermore, face-masking inhibits effective social interaction and community cohesion. Moreover, it poses a burgeoning health hazard as fully shrouded women are not exposed to natural sunlight thereby lacking essential Vitamin D, which leads directly to increasing rickets and infant morbidity in the UK.

Forward-looking and progressive British Muslims who resist the Talibanisation of Islam in the UK should lead a coordinated campaign to rid this country of this alien cultural monstrosity.

Two days before the French law became operative, a group of integrated Muslims in Oxford burned the burka as a mark of our collective disgust and disdain.

What needs to be done now is to introduce a twin track strategy of LMR (lampooning, mocking and ridiculing face-masking) which will be combined with a systematic programme of re-education and information that will empower Muslim women and make them realise that this tribal rag and cultural cloth is not intrinsic but incidental to Islam. It is purely the product of male chauvinism and not religious necessity.

Dr Taj Hargey is Imam of the Oxford Islamic Congregation and Chairman of the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...n-follow-Frances-footsteps.html#ixzz1JF8gLrUE
 
See who wrote this piece
The decision by the French government to outlaw all forms of public face-masking, including the burka and niqab, is welcomed by all thinking Muslims around the world.

The Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford which has pioneered an enlightened and egalitarian Islam salutes France for its bold legislative steps to eradicate this hideous tribal dress code that is deliberately given a completely false veneer of Islam.

However, since Britain tackles social problems in its own particular way and has different ways of doing things, the scourge of this foreign face-masking fad that is unfortunately growing in popularity in the Muslim community has to be confronted imaginatively and not exclusively through legal channels.

What is critical is that every effort should be made to disparage and discourage this tribal trend and cultural custom from infesting British society.

France, like other Western nations, has sovereign rights to implement any laws passed by democratic consent. Its National Assembly overwhelmingly approved legislation making all facial concealment in public a criminal act. Although France is entitled to exercise its legislative powers, this is too blunt an instrument to combat the blight of burkas on Europe’s streets.

What is required is an orchestrated and multilateral strategy to expose the twisted theology and cultural sexism that underpins this pernicious foreign fashion.

It is important to understand why the burka and niqab have been expediently transformed into an emblem of Islam. Under the rapacious influence of Saudi Wahhabism and other extremist sects, many Muslim women in France and elsewhere have been conditioned by the repressive masculine fraternity that it is a religious necessity to completely conceal female identity in public.
More...So why can't we do this here? Just two arrests as France brings in burka ban (and the only real demo is in LONDON) All the Koran requires is that both genders dress modestly. But the misogynistic clergy defies the Koran text and distorts the reputed sayings (hadith) of the Prophet Muhammad (recorded over 250 years after his death) to elevate an archaic pre-Islamic convention into a contemporary religious imperative.

France has sovereign rights to implement any laws passed by democratic consent but its banning of wearing veils in public is too blunt an instrument to combat the blight of burkas on Europe's streets
Sadly, even here in the UK, most uninformed Muslims have succumbed to this vile Wahhabi-Deobandi propaganda to condone female face-masking on spurious theological grounds or inconsistent and bogus civil rights arguments.

Face-masking is a pre-Islamic Byzantine and Persian practice and is non-existent in the Koran. Indeed, since Muslim women are banned from hiding their faces while praying or when they perform the pilgrimage, why do they need to do so in the public realm?
Dr Taj Hargey, an Imam of the Oxford Islamic Congregation, believes burkas are the product of male chauvinism and not religious necessity
Women should be reminded that as face-masking is not found in Islam’s transcendent text, it is therefore a non-Koranic and un-Islamic habit, not a fundamental feature of their religion. Islam is not a faith of superficial symbolism.

All educated Muslims must resist the importation of this Saudi and Taliban face-mask, not only because it is cultural, non-religious and a security risk, but also because it disempowers women by making them invisible and isolated while discriminating against men who cannot hide their faces in public.

Furthermore, face-masking inhibits effective social interaction and community cohesion. Moreover, it poses a burgeoning health hazard as fully shrouded women are not exposed to natural sunlight thereby lacking essential Vitamin D, which leads directly to increasing rickets and infant morbidity in the UK.

Forward-looking and progressive British Muslims who resist the Talibanisation of Islam in the UK should lead a coordinated campaign to rid this country of this alien cultural monstrosity.

Two days before the French law became operative, a group of integrated Muslims in Oxford burned the burka as a mark of our collective disgust and disdain.

What needs to be done now is to introduce a twin track strategy of LMR (lampooning, mocking and ridiculing face-masking) which will be combined with a systematic programme of re-education and information that will empower Muslim women and make them realise that this tribal rag and cultural cloth is not intrinsic but incidental to Islam. It is purely the product of male chauvinism and not religious necessity.

Dr Taj Hargey is Imam of the Oxford Islamic Congregation and Chairman of the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...n-follow-Frances-footsteps.html#ixzz1JF8gLrUE

A liberal elitist Muslim, probably hated by salt of the Earth real run of the mill ones.
 
:lol:

I'm not miffed at all and of course he was wanted, I just thought you'd know the facts, especially as there was a link provided.

Having reread your original post it was a question, so I apologise for that - even if it was asked in a way that seemed to indicate that you believed that to be the case :)

You are foaming a bit.

A moderate approach to clothing isn't such a bad thing.

Well i deemed it to be the case, as i remembered about that bloke. I assumed he wasn't checked or he would have been caught.

Apology accepted marra ;)
 
Brilliant. Let's tie up police man-hours essentially arresting women who wear the wrong kind of hat.

It's a pressing issue, and no mistake.
 
They've gone about this all wrong. They should have made ugly men wear a burka too.

In Turkey, Ataturk dealt with it by making it compulsary for prostitutes to wear the veil.

Funnily enough it wasn't desired by any party after that.
 
I heard a professor from Oxford today say it was the right thing to do as they will be lacking in vitamin D because of the lack of sunlight to the face :lol:

My doctor gets very vocal on vitamin D deficiency, blaming it for all kinds of things like multiple sclerosis. This is nothing to do with the burka, she was actually away on one about how it was the reason the Scottish are so poorly.
 
no one should be allowed to go round covering their faces. its a security risk and very antisocial
 
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